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Need Help Id'ing Unknown Gold Coin (Id: 17th Century Acheh (Indonesia) Mas)

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This one measures 12 mm - I don't have a weight.
It appears to be gold. Other than that I don't have a clue, I can't even figure out how to orient the pictures. Any and all help ID'ing it will be appreciated.

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just sell it for melt gold prices are high
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 Posted 06/02/2024  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eligius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is a gold Mas, from Acheh (Indonesia). For a catalog of these coins see here: https://jaarboekvoormuntenpenningku...04/2004a.pdf (the catalog is in English)
It is worth more than melt
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What a particularly unhelpful thing to say @idk.

@joe, here is a link to another CCF thread with a Mas. It contains a link to the zeno.ru listings that may also help you with your research:

http://goccf.com/t/216099
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Much thanks Eligius and Spence - the catalog is great (being in English the summary is a great story as well). And the zeno link is also a great resource.

Someone once asked for articles about coins - below is a portion of the summary section of the catalog that Eligius posted - a good read imo.

"Around 1250 some Islamic traders, originally from India, established themselves on the northwest coast of Sumatra. They founded ports at the mouths of the Pasangan and the Pasai river. In view of their geographical position in the straits of Malacca, these ports were a key transit point for trade between the West (Italy, Persia and India), the Indonesian archipelago in the East and China in the North.
These ports grew to become the independent kingdoms of Samudra and Pasai with at the head a 'harbour king' called Sultan. It is via these ports that Islam spread through the Indonesian archipelago. The influence and power of these Sultanates were so great that they were the first in the Indonesian archipelago
to strike gold coins (mas).
In about 1510 the Portuguese established themselves in Malacca, attempting to dominate trade through their monopolistic politics. This forced trade towards Acheh on the northwest point of Sumatra, long established but still fairly unknown. Acheh expanded into a powerful kingdom while the importance of Samudra-Pasai declined. In Acheh, gold coins were now also being struck, according to the popular model of Samudra-Pasai. In 1524 Acheh conquered the
area of Samudra-Pasai.
Prior to 1900, little was known with any certainty about the old history of Samudra-Pasai and Acheh. In addition to a few travelogues, there were native chronicles but they tended to be romanticised stories rather than reliable historical documents. This changed at the beginning of the 1900s when the Archaeology Department in the Dutch East Indies made a study of Acheh and discovered the tombs of a number of Sultans. The inscriptions on the tombs related not only the dates of death of the Sultan, but also his ancestry. The Archaeology Department started the description of the genealogy of several rulers of Samudra-Pasai. Some of the legendary rulers also appeared to have been real historical people...."
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I don't have a clue about these type of coins, just wanted to say what a gorgeous looking coin that is.
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I think I found it in the catalog on page 178 (page 196 of the pdf).
Sultanah Inayat Shah (1678-1688) - the set of four on the bottom of the page - second to the left.
Not sure who edited the title for the 13-15th century and if they are seeing something I am not.
I don't know how to post a pdf (or convert it to jpeg) so I am unable to show the page.
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That was me. I didn't realize that this was more modern, so I'll fix the title and the subforum. Sorry about that.
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Thank you for that document, Eligius. These coins seem inspired in those of India at the time. Also very small. Always nice to read a little more of history from a place.
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