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2017 P Lincoln 1cent /Dime Mule Clash Error!

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Agree, a vise job,
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Rather interesting vise job at that. Note the 'reversed' lettering. Keep it as a fun curiosity.
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the chances that it's a mule, brockage, die cap are astronomical times 2. It's just a common vise job. If it was any of these, the devises would be stretched out.
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Yep, just a vise job. PMD.
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Rather interesting vise job at that. Note the 'reversed' lettering. Keep it as a fun curiosity.

Of course the letters will be reverse (backwards) they are in the proper orientation on the dime that was used to create this. So you end up with a mirror image of it when placed in a vise.
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Quick question, aren't coins made by a die that has a coin stuck on it produce incused/ reversed lettering?
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pieces

Brockage errors
Brockage errors are the result of a planchet and a normally struck coin being in the coining chamber at the same time. The two items may overlap each other, rest on top of each other, or be of different sizes. There is one exception - the "brockage second strike" - which is the result of a planchet and a brockage coin being in the coining chamber together. When a coin sticks to the upper or lower die a number of brockage strikes may occur from the same coin (which at this stage is known as a "die cap"). The first strike from the "capped die" will result in a "mirror brockage" that will exhibit a perfect incuse mirror image of the design. As the cap continues to strike coins it will distort and spread outward wrapping itself around the shank of the die looking very much like a soda bottle cap or in later stages like a thimble. This will result in the designs of the coin closest to the rim eventually no longer appearing on the brockage strikes that result from the distorted cap.

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If those other two coins (Elizabe and the 2nd one below it) are brockage,but feature incused reversed letters/devices... why are incused/ reversed lettering being used as an argue against the posted Lincoln Cent being brockage? Why are incused/ reversed letters evidence of vise job in one case and not the other? Please forgive my confusion
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Out of curiosity, what type of vise or hammer is able to weave another coin into lincoln's bust/ jacket like some kind of a basket weave as shown here?! How was this achieved?!
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Out of curiosity, what type of vise or hammer is able to weave another coin into lincoln's bust/ jacket like some kind of a basket weave as shown here?! How was this achieved?!
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Duplicate topic. You got your answers on the first thread.
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A brockage happens when a coin "sticks" to one of the dies; that coin then effectively "becomes the die" for a second coin. That second coin will be a brockage, and will have a perfectly normal design on one side and a mirror-incuse version of that same side on the other side.

You cannot get a mixed-denomination brockage, like the image of a dime appearing on a cent or vice-versa. The easiest way to get the image of a dime appearing on a cent is to use a vice to squeeze a stack of coins together.
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As already made clear by multiple experts, it's simply a damaged coin.


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How was this achieved?!


You can find a thousand things on this coin to ask about - it's still a man made damaged coin.
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