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I have a Shield nickel that is totally dateless. In fact, it is so worn that it is hardly identifiable as a nickel. Really all that I can say is that there is no evidence of rays. Is it a good idea to try to restore the date on it? Will the vinegar soak help as it does on Buffalo nickels, or because of different standard wear patterns, is it unlikely to reveal a date?
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Not worth restoring. What I mean is the coin is so worn, sounds FR2, that it will not bring out sufficient details even if you were to restore it. Generally, restoration is reserved for those nickels that have F and above details unless its a key, then I go as low as VG. Their has to be sufficient detail to warrant restoration. The date area could be brought out with a drop of Nic-a-date but other than that, you could try jewelry cleaner or vinegar. Jewelry cleaner would be your best bet since this coin is so worn.
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How do you know its a key if it does not have a date?
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You don't, but he was saying he will go down the VG if it is a key, not FR2. In other words, if the coin were VG, he would try restoring hoping for a key date. At least that is how I read it.
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I say what do you have to lose? The coin sounds like a cull/slider anyway. Nic-a-date or vinegar will work on a Shield nickel the same as it does on a Buffalo nickel.
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How long a vinegar soak? I have 4 buffalos I put into vinegar last Saturday, and I have 1 date and 1 partial. The other two show nothing. Is there a point where if you soak it too long, the date disappears again?
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No...the date will not disappear once it appears. If you leave it in the vinegar too long the whole coin will start to darken, but a quick dip into jewelry cleaner will solve that problem. As I've said before, I'm not a "vinegar guy". I have only used vinegar a time or two on an experimental "look and see" basis. I use a bulk chemical that is very similar to Nic-a-date. (Industrial applications in etching circuit boards and municipal water treatment) I don't have the patience for vinegar. My chemical, OR Nic-a-date, will give you identical results provided that your preparation and timing is good - and it takes less than a minute.
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ok, thanks for the help.
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Do you use Iron Chloride, WS?
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It is possible thouh for the coin to be worn enough that the date can not be restored. The differing density of the metal from the compression of the strike only extends a short distance into the planchet metal. If the coin is worn beyond that point the chemical will react with the entire surface at the same rate and no details will be brought out.
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Generally speaking, yes. But there's a little more to it than that. I have had nearly slick nickels with almost no remaining detail restore beautifully. On the other hand, I have had nickels that would qualify as VG-10, if not for the fact that they had no date, where I could not bring that date back at all. Not all planchet metal was the same in this series, even within the same year. 1921 is a great example. I defy anybody to get a good date restoration on a 1921-P, regardless of how much detail remains. The date on a 1921-S, on the other hand, will almost always come back strong, even if the coin is in horrble shape. (I cite the 1921 because this year is very easy to identify, even without a date) Sometimes it was the thickness of the planchet or the angle of the strike that determined, decades later, if a date would restore. If the planchet was a tad thicker where the date was stamped, or if the die mechanisms had some wear and did not strike the planchet perfectly flush, more pressure was applied at one edge of the planchet than at the other. If that happened to be the area where the date was, then that date might very well restore even on a coin that has lost 15% of it's original mass and all it's details through wear over time. If it was the other side that was thicker or received the strong-side strike, you might be scratching your head wondering why you can't bring the date back despite the rest of the coin looking like VG.
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