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1979 S The Acetone Diaries Testing On A Kennedy Half Dollar

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Not too much improvement so far.
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 Posted 08/01/2024  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In today's society, which is both highly litigious and highly aware of allergens pathogens and the general nastiness of many chemicals, the age of selling "patented secret formulas" with unknown mystery ingredients is long gone. Every chemical-based substance sold in the US (and most other Western nations) requires the public publication of a Safety Data Sheet (SDS), listing all the ingredients. The "trade secret" can now only be in the exact percentages of chemicals used in the mixture, rather than the chemicals themselves. So we know what's in coin cleaners, we just don't know precisely how much.

Here is the SDS for MS70: https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/im...DS-55050.pdf
Ingredients:
- "inert substance" - which is their euphemism for "water": 50-90%.
- potassium hydroxide - strong alkali. Percentage not stated, but given the "missing mass" of the other percentages, must logically be at least 5%.
- 2-butoxyethanol - industrial solvent and surfactant: 1-5%

The butoxyethanol and potassium hydroxide, together, effectively act as a detergent, for removing PVC goo. And the strong alkaline environment of the potassium hydroxide removes verdigris and similar corrosion by-products without affecting metal oxides and sulfides (toning), or unoxidized raw metal (lustre).

I don't know how good it is at removing PVC haze, but my theoretical understanding is that it shouldn't work. The haze is caused by the acids in the PVC goo etching the surface. Once it's been etched, it can't be dis-etched; the damage is done.

And for the curious, here's the SDS for E-Z-Est: https://aervoe.com/_files/msds/EzEs...S%20Bulk.pdf
Ingredients:
- sulfuric acid - also known as "battery acid": 1-5%
- thiourea: 3-7%

The chemical reaction between silver sulfide and thiourea in acidic solution to create a soluble silver-thiourea complex and hydrogen sulfide, is well documented, and is the basis for all silver dip cleaners like E-Z-Est. Note that this is acidic, so E-Z-Est will also dissolve corrosion spots, but also remove metal oxide layers (toning). The chemical reaction with a coin's surface is essentially identical to the one that put the haze there in the first place; it won't "remove the haze", but it might make the entire coin's surface equally hazy so it's less noticeable.
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I agree Errers.

Thank you Sap, interesting facts. Yes ezest seems strong. potassium everyone has at home
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potassium everyone has at home

Potassium perhaps, but not potassium hydroxide (KOH). Chemically similar to sodium hydroxide (NaOH) - lye, Drano, etc.
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In today's society, which is both highly litigious and highly aware of allergens pathogens and the general nastiness of many chemicals, the age of selling "patented secret formulas" with unknown mystery ingredients is long gone. Every chemical-based substance sold in the US (and most other Western nations) requires the public publication of a Safety Data Sheet (SDS), listing all the ingredients. The "trade secret" can now only be in the exact percentages of chemicals used in the mixture, rather than the chemicals themselves. So we know what's in coin cleaners, we just don't know precisely how much.


I am an expert in this area. Not "all" chemical constituents need to be disclosed on an SDS, ONLY the substances that contribute to the classified hazards need be disclosed. This applies to every country in the world. Disclosure of non-hazardous substances is optional but not mandatory.

The use of "trade secret" is also still permitted but the requirements for doing so differ by country.
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Well that I don't have at home, I will have to travel to Kazakstan
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Well 24h, the patient did not respond to the treatment.
No further treatment with acetone.
Only chemicals or monstertoning can save this one


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Certainly not recommended--however, a pencil eraser might work well (leaving traces of undesirable features).
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That would be the death of ANY proof coin relegating it to face value.
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a pencil eraser might work well

When I was a kid, I did this to a LMC. Can't get much uglier than that.
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Hehe my conscience is clean compared to that! I put it in a jar with sulfur, just kidding
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Bummer.
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No tears shed coin was basicaly free. And therr will aleays be interesting for someone to post these results as a fieldstudy.

Hehe no worries jbuck I wont mess wuth a rare coin
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