Please Help ID 1665 Coin - Possibly French

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TacoSalad New Member United States 30 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 2:32 pm I inherited a ton of older foreign coins and I've been trying to go through them to identify/catalog. I am familiar with U.S. coins/currency, but have limited world coin knowledge. Mostly trying to look up on the internet with limited results. This one I have been trying to identify forever. The envelope is labeled "1665 AR Philip, Count of Taxis H.R.E" whoever wrote it originally wrote "France Philip IV of Burgundy" but crossed it out. As far as I can make out one side is a bust with lettering PHILIPPV...D.CTASS.COMES and the other side is a shield with lettering 1665.IN.TE.DOMINE.BRAVI ? It is about 20 mm and 2.56 grams The labels on a lot of the coins have been incorrect, possibly due to lack of information at the time (coins were purchased probably 1960s/1970s). By coincidence I was able to email some pictures to an expert and he concluded it was likely French- possibly a very obscure coin or "jetton" token. If anyone could shed some light on this coin or possibly where to find out more, I would greatly appreciate it! Report this Post to the Staff

erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 2:59 pm It is from the Italian County of Tassarolo, but it is an imitation of a French coin, a so called luigino ("little Louis"). The original French coin was a 1/12 ecu, issued for king Louis XIV, and it became so popular in trade with the Levant that it was copied by a number of French vassal states and numerous Italian states. The likeness with the French original varied, this one is very close, except for the inscription. It is issued for count Filippo Spinola and is not too common; it may be worth 100-200 $. Report this Post to the Staff
TacoSalad New Member United States 30 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 3:04 pm Wow after months of searching (believe me googling every variation of 1665 Philipp V coin there is nothing), I just messed around with the lettering to come up with IN TE DOMINE SPERAVI which leads me to an Italian coin called a Luigino ! Still not completely sure especially for a silver coin the color looks off Here is the NGC link: https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...duid-1500237 Report this Post to the Staff
TacoSalad New Member United States 30 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 3:07 pm Thank you erafjel! I cannot believe you found that so quickly! And thank you for the info! Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 3:24 pm You're welcome, TacoSalad. I have looked into these interesting coins - there are so many variants of these luigini, it is a collection area of its own - and I recognized it as such. It was just a matter of checking which particular imitation this was. Like many other imitations, it is probably of a more base silver alloy than the original. That may explain the color. Report this Post to the Staff
TacoSalad New Member United States 30 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 4:02 pm You are better than Google/AI ! I should have posted this months ago That is very cool info!! Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34398 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 4:06 pm I'm glad that @era was able to help you @taco. For completeness, I would like to slightly modify your reading of the obv inscription to: PHILIPPVS D G TASS COMES. Using that phrase as the keywords on acsearch.com yields several examples of your coin: https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...=usd&order=0 "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95517 Posts	Posted 08/03/2024 11:08 pm to CCF I'm glad to see you have an answer here. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
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