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1986 Cent: Unique Die Clash Question

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Hello. This is my first post.

After going through 3 jugs of coins from my father-in-law,I found what looks like a die clash. The problem I'm having is I haven't found anything anywhere about a die clash like the one I found for a 1986 Lincoln Cent.

Am I not understanding it correctly that there will be some/many of the same variety struck until the operator catches the issue and fixes it?

I have a 1986 Lincoln Cent that shows the Memorial across Lincoln's head (with rotation) and some of the words from the reverse pressed into the rim of the obverse and the same for the reverse showing words on the rim of the reverse.

There seems to be a significant rotation in the die clash as well it as being off center.

Shouldn't there be more in circulation with a similar marking until the mint operator caught this issue? Why haven't I found any on any if the larger websites for these issues?

I'm going to try to add some photos that I've taken with my phone. If people would like better pictures, I can set up my good camera with a macro lens and update this post.

Thank you so much for the information I've already found on this site and I look forward to learning so much more.

Bill



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@the, first welcome to CCF. Second, with the backwards image that is incuse plus the rim damage, I suspect you have a so-called "vise job" rather than a legit mint error.
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Spence,

Thank you. Aren't die clashes reversed on the coin?

The rim looks to me like it has the letters from the opposite side that's just a little off-center. Or are you seeing rim damage that I'm not recognizing?

Maybe it's just the photo that's not showing enough detail.

Is there a easy to do the overlay to show how it is lining up?


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@the, here is a link to the error-ref website section on die clashes:

https://www.error-ref.com/?s=die+clash

A die clash will almost always show up on the highest part of the die, which corresponds to the lowest part of the coin (in this case, the flat field in front and behind Abe's head. From this pic, it looks to me like the reverse impression is not only present on the fields, but also on Abe's hair and chin. That doesn't typically happen with a die clash. Along the bottom of Abe's bust, you can see a curved impression of a rim. That is from another cent being pressed into this one either randomly or perhaps in an attempt to simulate an error.

By the way, your pics are perfectly fine and much better than we typically see for a first-time poster here.
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Agree with Vise Job on this one.. backwards letters.. Not a Clash.
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Spence,

Thank you for taking the time to explain this.

What you say makes perfect sense.

It's hard to visualize the effects from negative and positive with the die and the coin and damage caused by two negatives hitting together then on a coin.

I do agree this appears to be caused by someone rather than the mint.

Thanks for the feedback on the pictures.
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Welcome! I just recently started working to learn about coin errors and die varieties. It turns out there is a huge amount to learn and experience. Best of luck to you
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The Shoeman,

I agree with a vise job.
Here is the clash reference site:https://www.maddieclashes.com/
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Agree, vise job,



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to the CCF and vise job. Pictures are great.
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