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#4. 1878-CC Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 08/24/2024  05:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I will start by saying IMO, this one has been cleaned. Even though an hourglass like original luster shows, it looks to have been dipped. Am I right in this deduction? Also surface scratches probably would have detailed anyways. Let me know what you think.


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 Posted 08/24/2024  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unc Details - Cleaned (looks polished, not dipped)

Still a better date and mintmark. CC Morgans are always popular, whatever the grade.
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 Posted 08/24/2024  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericgreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unc Details - Polished
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 Posted 08/24/2024  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got it. Help me to understand the difference between polished and dipped. What are the PUP's.. Thanks.
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 Posted 08/24/2024  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, Unc details (cleaned).
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 Posted 08/24/2024  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU details, harshly cleaned.
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 Posted 08/24/2024  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU/Unc Details, polished.
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Dipped coins look overly bright, with unnatural luster that appears to be "all over" the coin instead of cartwheel luster. Dipping does not create hairlines or scratches that weren't already there or other signs of cleaning (unless improperly wiped afterwards.) A thin layer of metal is chemically stripped from the surface.

Polished coins show clear signs of mechanical or other forms of abrasive cleaning, usually hairlines or scratches. They can be unnaturally reflective, sometimes having almost a mirror-like finish. Metal from the coin's surface is actually physically moved, which can lower the coin's relief in the center and "spread" it outwards towards the rims.

Google is your friend here; you can find plenty of examples of dipped or polished coins by which to compare.
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It easily could have been dipped and probably was at some point. While it didn't lose a lot of luster from sitting in acid too long, the overall appearance says Improperly Cleaned for sure.
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The halos of luster around the obverse stars are indicators of mishandling. Whatever cleaning process was used has diminished the luster in the open fields. The protected areas around the stars were less affected and so retain more luster.
A coin like this might be flagged as "altered surface" if submitted for grading.
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I'm with IGE, AU details, harshly cleaned
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Looks to me as if there might be some PVC residue also in which case it wouldn't get encapsulated without 'restoration".
But maybe I am wrong about the reside as no one else seems to have mentioned it ...
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You can see how around the stars looks different from the fields I'll say it's AU harshly ckeaned
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a couple comment dowhat

there are different levels of dipping. dipping is used to remove surface flaws. it can range between a light dip and overdipped. there is fine line between whether a coin overdipped to the point where a TPG would detail the coin. it can take years of experience of looking at slabbed coins that were dipped to have a good understanding as to what an overdipped coin looks like. overdipped coins where the original surfaces have been totally removed leaving just a dull look to the entire coin would probably pull a details designation which could significantly reduce its value. a light dip grading straight may just affect eye appeal and luster and would lower the value a small amount or even none at all.

a polished coin would have occurred when the coin was rubbed either manually or by mechanical means pretty much making the coin uncollectable with the exception of rare coins. these coins would see swipe marks left on the surfaces to an extreme melting of the devices where they appear to have been flattened and almost melted look.

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