Attribution Assistance 1723 Woods Hibernia Farthing

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MaximillianMike Valued Member United States 85 Posts	Posted 09/21/2024 8:21 pm Hello everyone, I am stumped on this farthing. I have Sydney Martin's attribution guide for Woods Hibernia Coinage and have been pouring through it but havent concluded a pairing. I am confident in the reverse attribution of this farthing as Bd.1. It has a 12 string harp, the location of the frond is correct, the die rust mark to the right of head is present, and other diagnostics as noted in the reference are observed. The center though is weakly struck or worn so some diagnostics are lost. I cannot match it to an obverse that is listed. The closest obverse die is 2-1 based on the lower leaf being well right of DEI but other diagnostic cues aren't exacting. The T in gratia is also missing the top cross-bar. The farthing is 21mm and 68.2 grains with coin alignment. Woud anyone have an idea that is willing to assist? I appreciate it. Report this Post to the Staff

lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1657 Posts	Posted 09/22/2024 05:10 am Definitely not Bd.1, the legends are much too far away from the denticles. Are you sure it's a farthing and not a halfpenny? May have time to look into it more closely after work. Edited by lcutler 09/22/2024 05:26 am Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1657 Posts	Posted 09/22/2024 11:20 am Well, I am buffaloed so far. It looks an awful lot like Bd.1 but I think I see some minor difference unless die state can account for them. I can't match the obverse to any farthing obverses at all. Report this Post to the Staff
MaximillianMike Valued Member United States 85 Posts	Posted 09/22/2024 11:22 am I am positive on it being a farthing. It is 21mm and 68.2 grains. I looked at the number of strings in the harp with a digital microscope to confirm there are 12 strings since the wear is greater on the reverse. That alone leaves only two die possibilities for the series as Bd.1 or Bd.2 It diagnostically aligns to Bd.1 in nearly all variables listed in the book that are still discernable on the coin. The die rust in the right field is also unique to Bd.1. I didn't see any mention of distance from denticles is that in the book, could you let me know where that comes from? In any case thanks for the reply and please don't mistake my reply as argumentative but rather explaining how I came to the decisions I made. Thanks again. Edited by MaximillianMike 09/22/2024 11:48 am Report this Post to the Staff
MaximillianMike Valued Member United States 85 Posts	Posted 09/22/2024 11:25 am We must have been replying at the same time. It is a head scratcher for sure. What are the chances it's a new variety or perhaps even a contemporary counterfeit? I cannot rule out anything at this point. Thanks for your help and thoughts! Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1657 Posts	Posted 09/22/2024 12:39 pm No mention of the distance of the legend from the denticles, just going by the pictures in the book. Is there any sign of the extra I between the H and the I in HIBERNIA under magnification? There are so many varieties of these I'm sure Syd didn't get them all, you never know! Edited by lcutler 09/22/2024 12:39 pm Report this Post to the Staff
MaximillianMike Valued Member United States 85 Posts	Posted 09/22/2024 12:53 pm Indeed, and no there isn't a sign of the extra I on this example. That did throw me as that is called out as diagnostic for the die. Report this Post to the Staff
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