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1999 Gold Eagle $5 How To Test When Holdered?

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Hello everyone,

I hope this is the right section for this post. I am studying a 1999 Eagle G$5 graded MS70. I really like this design; the eagle bringing back food to its young ones is beautiful. I have a question though. I checked surface details and all checks out. Nothing out of the blue.
My only question is: the sigma is not reading it because it is too small and because of the air gap. What do people usually do for these coins that are holdered? Do you have ti break them out to check for authenticity?

What do you suggest?

I will be posting a video of this on my Youtube channel: Vestedpocket so if you want to join me in my studies, meet me there ;)

Thank you,
Vestedpocket.

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It should read through the holder.
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Let's see a picture of the front of the slab. Can't do much w/o cert number. NGC usually has images available on their webpage.

Testing a gold piece within a holder is rarely necessary.
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BH1964: The challenge is that when I check the cert number on NGC website, there is not photo view to reference.

Is it normal for NGC security labels to age as in this holder (on the reverse).

IndianGoldEagle: Have you tested one of these with the Sigma before? It is a 1/10 size so I thought because it is small in diameter and also less thicker than other bigger coins, the sigma may not detect very easily.

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Unless there is a discrepancy with grade and coin with the NGC website or evidence of tampering of the slab or a counterfeit slab, you should leave as is. The purpose of grading coins with a TPG service is to have a grade that is accepted widely and to authenticate the coin.
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What's with the silvery patches on the obverse?



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Thank you all for your replies ;)

@Freespeech57: I agree with you. I don't see why I should remove it from the holder. My only challenge is that there are no photos for this coin on NGC's database so there is no way to cross check if this is the coin that they graded. Is it normal for the reverse labels of NGC to age like in the images of the reverse?

@Coinfrog: The patches that appear to be silvery due to the differences curvature and heights of the surfaces and how the lighting hits thems and creates areas of shadows. Adding to it, the surface is very clean with not scratches so it is highly reflective. Atleast this is what I understand from observation and analysis.

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To me the Reverse Label is looking odd. Lots of little specs on label or in the holder.
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It looks perfect to me. If I owned it I would have no concerns whatsoever.
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To me the Reverse Label is looking odd. Lots of little specs on label or in the holder.


NGC's hologram rear label often wears like this example. It's important for the owner to put his mind at ease.
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Using the NGC app and it scans correctly, I don't see anything wrong either.

Do you have the adapter to the sigma for smaller coins?
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I have the small wand for sigma tester which I used and tested. On the reverse it reads because the coin is closer to the capsule but on the obverse it does not read. I read that the air gap can cause an issue and also that certain think coins will not be read because of the sensitivity of the sigma (in the manual it specifies the thickness etc for what works and some that are cumbersome).
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Seeing how this coin is in an NGC slab, I would leave it alone and not crack it out. I trust ANACS, NGC, and PCGS. Other unknown slab or 'self' slabs, I would probably crack it open to check it.
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If the NCG cert numbers check out on their website it is most likely OK.

If you are concerned that it is a Chinese fake slab Google the cert number or check ebay to see if it comes up in multiple listings.
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