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1976 D Bicentennial Quarter And P DDO

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And tonight we have a goodie. I think I have my first official DDO I can't find anything on a 1976 bicentennial DDO tho. I have researched and looked through as much as I could. I am posting a D mint and P mint to show differences. however I feel like the p mint is also a DDO just not as severe.
Tell me what you guys think. Plus on the last Pic of the P mint I see something I couldn't identify. Any ideas?
So I do have an idea what class it is please in lighten me if I am wrong I think they are both class 3 [ design hub doubling. But I am probly wrong since I am new at this. But trying. I also liked class 7 modified doubling but couldn't find many examples since they are torn on how they are actually made. Or class 8 distended hub doubling since it says that the more sever it is the serifs would have a mark but not as server ones wouldn't. Please share what do you guys think of my findings?

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Here is the P mint

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You are going to have to explain specifically what you think is doubled on that coin. These are the two known doubled die for 1976-D:

http://www.varietyvista.com/09b%20W...201976-D.htm

The metal blob between G and O looks like either a die chip or metal displacement from a bump.
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Pretty much of all of in God we trust for both the P is just not as server and for the D the BER in liberty. Check the emboss pics I posted it shows plain as day. And if you check the p again between G and O there is a smaller example of the let's say extra part of O. How do you do a quote on here. And I know those are the only two recorded that's why I said I looked and couldn't find anything like it.
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Not seeing any doubling.
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Look at the N and the D and O where it is prominent doubling or look at the emboss pics where in BER it is plain as day there is extra material there and in God we trust you can see the outlines of extra lettering the N a and R who's serifs are notched. Have you seen a quarter with a halo around it's nostril before cause I have been looking at alot
Of quarters and I haven't.
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It seems like we are not going to convince you,since it is plain as day to you,but anyways.
The hazy milky pics are really of little use IMHO.
I see no doubled die on either coin. The nostril might be MD,not sure but needs more research.
The Denver coin is a keeper simply because of the full rim on the drum.Take from this what you will.
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I'm not seeing any DDOs here on these quarters
That 'embossing' images can be tricky to look at as it will enhance the lighting and shadows differently giving the appearance of doubling.

But that is a die chip that you boxed in red.
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A little than average circulated coin, other than that.....nothing.
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What is all this then its not shadowing
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As already stated, There is no evidence of a Doubled Die on either of your coins.
Keep the "D" because of the full drum rim on the reverse!
Other than that check the link posted above by Brandmeister for actual known DDO's.
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I believe the ghost letters that you see stretching towards the rim are Die Deterioration Doubling. Here is an example from a nickel. DDD can be quite visually compelling, and can even mimic split serifs, but it is a result of natural die wear during coin striking.

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Thank you all for the clarification, I just don't understand how some coins have notched serifs is a dd and some are not. I guess I'll learn.
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One thing to consider is that coins can display both DDD and MD. When the Machine Doubling crushes the widened DDD lettering into a shelf, that can produce a very convincing appearance of a doubled die.

In other cases, DDD can produce notching all by itself:

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One of the techniques that really helped me to learn the difference was to look at real doubled dies on PCGS. They show the whole coin as you might see it in circulation. The microscope view on the catalogs is good for learning structure, but it really doesn't give you a good idea of what the doubled die coin truly looks like in-hand.
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I appreciate the tip I will keep studying. What did John mean by full rim?
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https://www.pcgs.com/news/second-lo...ial-quarters

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin.../images/5897

John was referring to the rim of the drum. That is a weak point on the bicentennial quarter design that often wears away on the die (or possibly hubs). If you look at the second link, you can see that many of the drum rims are not fully struck, even on mint state coins. Collectors of that series place a higher value on a fully struck drum with all details.
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