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Thanks Coinfrog....I am hopeful someone on here has seen something similar for this type coin....
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Yes!!! A bust half question!! The blank planchets were cut into their circle shapes, then individually hand loaded into the Castaing machine. The Castaing machine is the edge lettering device that both labels the edge and upsets the rims of the coin for stronger peripheral detail. The coins were struck without a retaining collar, which keeps the edge lettering intact after striking. The overlapping of the edge lettering is common on issues in the 1810s. It could look like edge damage at first glance, but it should always be regarded as a result of the mint processes and not PMD of any kind. Here is another example that shows a similar quality at around 3, 6, and 9 O'Clock.  Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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With regards to this effect in your image below, I would categorize that as off-centering that is within tolerance for production.  Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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OP - How do you grade your coin, by the way?
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jacrispies/Coinfrog Thank you so much.... That all makes perfect sense and seeing your example helped as well. I sent the coin in thinking MS62/MS63 and received an UNC Altered Surface. I have spoken to a high up person at PCGS and after reviewing details of the grade agrees that it needs to be re-graded. He noted it does not feel the tone is out of line or AT and agrees with you all the the issues with denticles you/I noted to him all is Mint created not PMD to create an altered surface designation without holding the coin. So back to PCGS it is about to go. He could not see anything on the super large images that said it should be Altered Surface without holding in his hand. We will see but I just wanted some expert opinions before sending it back on the process that could cause the issue that I think the graders used to call it Altered Surface. Remove the excuses to call it that and it might be left to straight grade. |
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Unfortunately I agree with PCGS. It appears to have an unnatural color plus a lack of luster that would point to a cleaning.
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Not to say your wrong.... But In contrast to your thoughts after speaking with someone over their grading department and reviewing my coin hi resolution images they took yesterday they actually felt that neither the tone was the issue or that the surface was cleaned. Hence why they gave it an Altered Surface designation and not questionable color or cleaned designation according to them. They have asked me to resend it in as they can not see the issue other than the denticles that they want to verify if was PMD or Mint issue. So there is still some hope of a positive out come. |
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Quote:They have asked me to resend it in as they can not see the issue other than the denticles that they want to verify if was PMD or Mint issue. We are all human, and PCGS isn't exempt from perfection either. I've had an 1812/1 (different one than pictured above) get rim damage for overlapping edge lettering. It was resubmitted because clearly it was a mistake, and the coin came back bent. The 1812/1 small 8 usually comes with a slight obverse warp, hence why there central obverse design elements are weak and wear away quicker than any other marriage. They can't be an expert in everything I suppose. Keep us updated with the result! I am crossing my fingers, hoping for the best for you. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Thanks so much... I will keep you posted.
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