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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
11/24/2024 11:48 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Large stars? Priced for about a F-15. Personally, I'm not a fan of the old (apparent) cleaning and staining.
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Pillar of the Community
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I missed the 50/20 until you added it to the title.
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Bedrock of the Community
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What do you think it grades? Thanks!
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'll say Fine for the grade. Might have had an old cleaning.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
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Seller pics are horrible, O-111, maybe O-111a early bearded lady. I'm going with VG10, maybe F12. Looking forward to better pics so we can see what's going on with this one.
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Pillar of the Community
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F15 based on poor seller pix.
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I'd say F-15. I think it's an O-112, not O-111.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I wish this was O-111. The Bearded Goddess variety is very scarce and has a very large premium.
I think that most folks are calling this one fine because vf graded examples shows the brooch in the drapery in this series as a defining characteristic. Typically, the brooch doesn't show because it has been worn off from use. The 1807 cbhd was a first year issue that year and it is well documented that there were significant striking issues through 1808. 1809 coins show better quality.
For this particular coin, the thought I have is that the missing brooch is due to a weak strike and not wear. The reason for this thinking is that the periphery of the coin indicates a much higher grade than the center of the coin. The hair above the date and below the cap, the facial features and the drapery over Liberty's bust indicate a higher grade coin. On the reverse, the arrowheads are sharply defined, the shield is complete, and the laurel branch leaves are sharply defined. The eagle wings are poorly struck as is often seen in this issue.
Coin wear happens more or less evenly throughout the coin at the fine/vf level. The contrast in wear throughout this coin appears pretty stark. What are your thoughts on this theory?
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
11/24/2024 12:23 pm
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Agree Zurie, taking a closer look at the date, it looks like 112.
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Bedrock of the Community
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F-15. Not a fan of the color on this one.
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The images are poor. Hopefully it'll look better in-hand and probably will. Fine+ with a liberal amount of patina remaining which is always a plus. Quote:
The contrast in wear throughout this coin appears pretty stark. I believe that is strike related, not wear related. Edited by BH1964
11/24/2024 2:24 pm
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This is a visual analysis. Green boxes indicate areas where the coin exhibits higher grade characteristics and red boxes indicate areas that appear worn but I hypothesize that are areas with a weaker strike.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I see your points. Planchets could be pretty bad then too. At this level of wear most don't take strike into account so Fine+ sounds close even if actual circulation was significantly less.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Which of these two coins do you believe is in better condition deserving a higher grade?   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
11/25/2024 3:36 pm
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