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 Posted 04/06/2006  09:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I noticed ebay started putting on everyones auctions the following...

" ebay prohibits the use of instant cash transfer services such as Western Union or Moneygram."

This should also mean paypal is banned as this is also an instant money transfer. The only conclusion I can reach from this is ebay is trying to ban the competition.
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 Posted 04/06/2006  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RealtorInWi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm.. Wouldn't that be considered a 'monopoly'? Thought those were illegal...
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 Posted 04/06/2006  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm pretty sure that ebay is trying to ban the competition. I think they were pretty pleased when Bidpay went under. They can argue that Paypal offers buyer protection which instant transfers do not. I think this is why they banned cash transactions also. I think that they were afraid of being held liable for fraudulent sales that were paid with these methods. It would be curious to see what would have happened if someone had taken them to court over a cash transaction when they were still permitting that as a payment method.
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 Posted 04/06/2006  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


quote:
This should also mean paypal is banned as this is also an instant money transfer.


It should have a better explanation. What they actually mean is "wires" which is totally different than what Paypal does.

Wires are extremely dangerous. I would never pay a seller with a wire unless I knew them personally.

This is exactly the reason that "Western Union Auction Payments" changed their name to "Bidpay" a few years ago. To rid themselves of the association with fraud rampant wires.

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 Posted 04/06/2006  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think where ebay are going wrong is that their system is no more secure than any other form of payment if the seller is dead set out to commit fraud. I am totally against the way ebay are gradually forcing buyers and sellers to use ebay's own systems when the buyer and seller are quite happy to come to an arrangement on how a transaction can take place. ebay are banning internationally accepted forms of payment under the front of "safe payment" when really all they are trying to do is line their own pockets.

Due to some recent battles I have had with ebay and paypal I have found they breach Australian Law in a number of areas. Because of their web of offshore companies that do not operate in a juristiction that could force them to play ball fairly they get away with a lot of things they should not be allowed to do. Even though there is an ebay company in Australia, it is here to purely allow them to easily market ebay in Australia. The company that actually operates ebay the ebay website is offshore. This allows them to avoid Australian consumer law, tax law, competition laws and trade practice laws in the country they actually operate in.
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 Posted 04/06/2006  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think all the above answers are correct and inter-connected. Using PayPal only, ebay has the control of money exchange and, at least theoretically, ebay has the power to address grievances. Western Union aka BidPay and other wire services were used too often in a fraudulent manner without any recourse available on ebay's part. The net result is a quasi-monopoly in which ebay pulls the strings while at the same time removing a source(s) of competition and history of fraudulent transactions. I cannot speak for transactions outside the United States regarding PayPal's security, utility, and legality, but here in the US PayPal works very well and is my preference for payment. I have also had a few out-of-country PayPal payments with no problems, but these were for low-priced items.

The above said, one thing I've noticed about PayPal's use is that it is also the payment mode of preference by known fraudulent sellers; estatedoctor comes to mind. The onus is upon the buyer to demonstrate that the terms of the auction were not met (e.g., wrongful description, fake or counterfeit items, non-delivery of items). If the buyer is unable to provide this proof, the seller keeps the money and the buyer is out of luck. Further, the sum involved might not be worth the effort of filing a claim with PayPal. Both pamim003 and estatedoctor's negative and neutral feedbacks have a considerable number of complaints regarding non-delivery of items and no refund of the purchase price.

Further, PayPal gets a cut of every transaction in addition to ebay's Final Value Fees. This goes back to the monopoly (quasi-monopoly in that there are other means for paying for an item, e.g., personal checks, money orders).

But with PayPal now carrying the ball, it's gonna have to more firmly enforce its own Terms of Payment and other rules. ebay hasn't been addressing these grievances very well recently, at least in the Coins categories.
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 Posted 04/13/2006  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tonyozcan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think paypal is the best paying option for ebay as its a convenience oin both sides of the fence.
I prefer paypal with foreign buyers as my local buyers I prefer other option but If they request for paypal with the locals I do request a 5% surcharge to cover the commision on Paypal
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 Posted 04/13/2006  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not matter which payment form is used, if the seller is a thief you will not recover one cent of your money!!

it gets even worse when the cost of doing business is passed to the Buyer,, with this added percentage for using paypal,, In my opinion that is bogus, if you accept pay pal then you also accept the charges that go along with it !!

and if that percentage is above what is actually charged for the service then well never mind what I think about it then !!!

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