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UK Victoria Late 19th Century Three Pence Coin - Engraved With 'Maidie' Ship

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I came across this curious late 19th century silver three pence coin while going through a random lot of coins. It appears to be shaved on one side with an etching of a three sail ship called the 'Maidie' etched into the reverse.

I have done the usual Google search, but the only 'Maidie' boat from the era is a very small single sail boat, and not the larger ship portrayed on the coin.

https://www.nationalhistoricships.o.../1934/maidie

It's my first found token of its kind and I was hoping to find out more about the ship that's portrayed in the engraving if possible, and maybe if the ship still exists send it to its current owners.


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 Posted 12/03/2024  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. I hope someone will be able to offer more information.
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Interesting, good luck!
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Is it my eyesight or is all the design on the reverse incused. It almost looks like it was done by hand . By someone with engraving talent. But should add I know nothing of this token. Just what I see. The reverse just looks so different.
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I guess I should have read a little closer you said it is an engraved coin my bad.
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You are working under the assumption that "Maidie" is the actual name of the ship. It might be a nickname or abbreviation for a longer ship name which wouldn't fit on a tiny coin like a threepence, like "Maiden of Glasgow" or some such.

Of course, it might not be referring to the ship's name at all. It could be the name of a person who sailed away on a ship, leaving a loved one behind. Or the name of a loved one left behind while their lover sailed away on a ship. Why, for all we know, it could be the name-tag for a ship's cat. All we can say for sure is that, judging by the state of the hole, it was on its chain for a long time before it was removed, so it was probably worn and well-treasured for many years after it was made.

With very little to go on and with a disconnection from its original personal context, re-creating that lost context and provenance will prove nigh-on impossible. All you have to go on is the fact that this obverse for the threepence was not used prior to 1893; so 1893 is the earliest possible date for it.
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An interesting love token, but I agree with @sap, that a definitive understanding of the circumstances is probably gone. The only thing that I would add is you could try reaching out to the lovetoken society for additional help:

http://lovetokensociety.com/

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You are working under the assumption that "Maidie" is the actual name of the ship. It might be a nickname or abbreviation for a longer ship name which wouldn't fit on a tiny coin like a threepence


Mmm, very true. Ship names and their histories are very well catalogued, especially for something as large as portrayed on this coin, so not being able to find a match suggests it's not a ship name.


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Of course, it might not be referring to the ship's name at all. It could be the name of a person who sailed away on a ship, leaving a loved one behind. Or the name of a loved one left behind while their lover sailed away on a ship.


Looking on Google, 'maidie' is an old English/Scottish name meaning girl or young unmarried woman, and as ships tend to be referred to as 'she' it might just be a nickname or term of affection for someone's favourite sailing ship. Or a loved one who sailed off.


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Why, for all we know, it could be the name-tag for a ship's cat.


Heh, I would love to have the tag for a ship's cat

Yeah, it does look like finding out more about this coin will probably be near impossible. It's an interesting piece to have and wonder what it meant to someone.
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An interesting love token, but I agree with @sap, that a definitive understanding of the circumstances is probably gone. The only thing that I would add is you could try reaching out to the lovetoken society for additional help:


An interesting site. Thanks for posting.
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