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We Said 'Uncirculated,' We Didn't Say 'Undamaged'

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 Posted 12/13/2024  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is NO doubt that the planchet was damaged, but WHEN it was, in the striking procedure, is what we are trying to figure out... having struck detail in the damaged area is a good indication that that the damage is pre-strike, don't you think?
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Having done a lot of metal forming and dividing over the years, I'd say this example is consistent with the shearing action being applied after the forming of the design. And the nick on the rim opposite & in line with the main gouge was probably caused by the coin rocking as the cut was made.

And, somehow, I put this in the wrong error forum, sorry!


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 Posted 12/13/2024  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that the new pictures tell us a few things:
1) The left base of the 1 is definitely struck over the damaged area-can't get around that
2) There is no metal displacement on the top of the reed under the Q-it looks perfect
3) the top of the reed at TA (STATES) is only slightly bent, in resistance to the enormous gash
4) no impacted displaced metal at the edges of the damage, all flattened in the strike
I know what it looks like, but what it is I think is something totally different.

I have something along these lines which I will share when I can take some good pictures; otherwise I'm done-have fun with it
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 Posted 12/13/2024  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll add this: the Large Cent has the same pattern of scraping as seen on the OP's at the L and Q... weird
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The dentil coil sprung


Sorry to take this off topic.... but @Oldgrouchyguy, what do you believe a dentil coil is? The dentils were hand punched on the working dies.
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To the OP, the coin is post strike. Whatever happened to it, scratched, scraped, sanded, filed, smashed, or dented, the displaced metal on the edge confirms post strike damage. The retaining collar that also contains the reeding would not have allowed that to happen. Additionally, if it was damaged pre strike, there would be much greater rounding and weakness along the edge of the unfilled areas. The rims and devices are sharp all the way up until the cuts.
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jacrispiess: Probably should have stated "a coil of denticles"; the impressions are under the Cud as well, and the impressions travel over the edge
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 Posted 12/13/2024  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But, really... Pre- AND Post-Strike Damage, and it's in Mint packaging? That's a stretch...
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jacrispiess: Probably should have stated "a coil of denticles"; the impressions are under the Cud as well, and the impressions travel over the edge

Huh, ok I see what you mean. I am very interested in investigating this piece since mint anomaly bust halves are what I study most. If you want to discuss more about this coin, feel free to PM me or start a new topic.


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But, really... Pre- AND Post-Strike Damage, and it's in Mint packaging? That's a stretch...

That's why we shall settle with 100% post strike damage
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