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United States
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 You are already thinking post mint damage, aren't you? But this poor feller is still sealed in plastic as part of an uncirculated set, so it is definitely mint damage, or, if you wanted, you could rightfully say it is in mint state, no?  There must be a term for this, right? After the actual minting, but before leaving the building?   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It really doesn't matter if the damage occurred at the mint or after it left, once the coin leaves the dies, damage is damage. Many people prefer the term post-strike damage to post mint damage. This may have been from a machine that sealed the packaging or something similar.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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As lcutler said, people will debate PSD vs. PMD. It's certainly possible to have an uncirculated, damaged coin. There are many slabbed coins graded UNC Details. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like deliberate PMD with a shears. Hard to believe this could be accidental.  to the CCF! |
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United States
630 Posts |
The left base of the 1 is undamaged in the field of damage, and I don't see any of the "displaced" metal. were this to be PMD... Strike-throughs? Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
12/12/2024 8:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Grouchy, the reverse clearly shows metal protruding above the circumference of the rim.
Is there even such a thing as a symmetrical strike through event on both coin faces?
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United States
630 Posts |
Brandmeister: I had an 1811/10 O-101 CBH, strike throughs both sides, with an edge interruption... The base of the 1 and the rim under it are clearly struck in or over what's there. It looks like Strike Throughs to me. If it left the Mint in the packaging as OP has it-that's all automatic, with no Inspection. You'd need to see the edge there, and the reeding. If the planchet was damaged before or during striking, you'd know.
To be more precise, perhaps the blank was damaged before striking, and to be technically precise it would be Struck Over damage, a cousin to a coin that had pre-strike Lamination peeled off, and the strike detail is in the damaged area
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
12/12/2024 9:31 pm
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United States
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I guess that's possible? To me, the rim looks chewed up at various points around the perimeter between the two damage zones (L/Q, 1/STA). Also some damage or a collar clash above BER.
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United States
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@OldGrouchyGuy, Do you have a photo of the 1811?
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United States
630 Posts |
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
12/12/2024 9:42 pm
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United States
630 Posts |
I'm pretty sure that the OP's coin was damaged before striking, maybe just before. The edge will tell you
brandmeister: I've seen and owned some really wacky error coins, coins that stretch Striking Theories to the maximum. Nothing surprises me. If we are given "X", we have to figure-out "Why"
and, fwiw: an ex-FBI agent came into the shop with a whole portfolio of counterfeit 1964 error coins, from a bust he did in the 60's?. They were scary good... I took notes
As on my 1811/10 CBH, and the OP's coin: no evidence of impacts, at their edges, remain after the coins were struck
Edited by Oldgrouchyguy
12/12/2024 10:08 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like PMD to me. I can see displaced metal from the damage. Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
630 Posts |
JLP: can you take pictures of the edge? That would confirm Pre-or Post Mint Damage
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think there is a chance this is a pre-strike planchet flaw that nearly closed up during striking or a strike-through of some sort. There is weakness in some of the lettering and the rim that cannot be explained by something like shears and PMD.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looking at the first T in STATES and the rim just above it sure looks like damage to me. The top of the T is pushed outward above the adjoining A and the damage appears to have displaced and pushed metal beyond the rim of the coin. I've sure been wrong before though, interesting discussion regardless!
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Canada
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It looks like damage, but I'm not convinced of it...
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Posted 12/12/2024 6:00 pm
