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Interested In The Attribution Of This PCGS Certed 1875-CC Trade.

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 Posted 12/28/2024  10:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I can not attribute it with my standard references; would appreciate some help from the Trade experts!

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I am not an expert, but did some research. There are two varieties of the 1875-CC Trade identified by Breen. The more common one is B-5796 which has the Type I obverse and reverse. This appears to be an example of B-5796.

David Bowers went further and lists three varieties of the Type I/I 1875-CC coins. One has a medium CC mintmark and two varieties have a tall CC mintmark. One of the tall CC mintmark reverses has a widely spaced mintmark and this coin appears to be a coin of this variety. An example with a mintmark similar to your is here: https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-doll...ption-071515

More recently last year, John Coxe just published "The United States Trade dollar Challenge 50 Set." In this 50 Trade dollar variety tome, Coxe lists just one 1875-CC trade variety - the 1875-CC small wide CC (C-15). Apparently there is a wide CC variety with a small mintmark, but I haven't been able to locate any pictures of a coin with this designation.

Hope this helps.
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OP's coin followed by linked coin in post above.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Kind of a blurry comparison, but I'm sure you 're right.
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Thanks! Curious about the statement about Coxe, as my reference shows 16 varieties of 1875-CC Trade.
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Unfortunately, I don't own the Coxe reference but found the 50 Trade dollar varieties he catalogued in the pictures below. Only one of the 50 varieties he identified was for the 1875-CC. The book likely has illustrations of the new variety.

PCGS is doing Coxe variety attributions and the page for the C-15 variety is here but there is no link with pictures to any coin having received that attribution: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...-wide/928869

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Found a listing that claims to be the C-15 wide small CC but it is not attributed and can't verify it, but if it is the C-15, the mintmark placement is not the same as that in your coin. The first C in the mintmark is too far left of the S in GRAINS.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/186642460453

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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