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Hmmm, interesting. Pictures of the entire reverse of both coins may be helpful.
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Measurements are similar, probably within tolerance when factoring in things like slight differences in planchets, well struck coins vs weak strikes, etc.
Just my opinion. Let's see what others think.
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These pictures I used the KG to keep square to the bead selected and I got a 22 for the close and a 30 for the far. These pictures were taken with no adjustment to the microscope and its an accurate comparison.   |
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These pictures I used the KG to keep square to the bead selected and I got a 22 for the close and a 30 for the far. These pictures were taken with no adjustment to the microscope and it's an accurate comparison. The only thing is the 1984 pennies were not completely round, and if the collar die moved you might be measuring to a "corner" vs measuring to a "flat" side of the coin.
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You have to study were I got the 22 and 30, its the flat plane of the coin were the inner edge starts to rise up. I gave the science explanation with the ruler measurement. For me its a Yes!!
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01/19/2025 11:44 am
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That leads me to want to measure an 1983 to see what that was on both a near and then again on a far.
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I played around with your images and produced the following subtracted image:  The white areas are where the images are different. What I see is a white ring inside the rim which indicates that the face (flat part) of one die is wider than the other one. Otherwise the designs are virtually identical. This should be verified by measuring the coins in hand. I don't know enough to say if this constitues a variety. Jan |
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Your over lap image is correct. Let me put this in a coin language.
- the bead diameter measures 10 increments
- the near is 22 increments = 2 Bead dia to the rim
- the far is 30 increments = 3 Bead dia to the rim
Agree is it enough for a designated variety. When I get arround to it I want to measure the 1983 and see how it compares.
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The direction moving forward is for the Charlton to have a look at this near - far and if its a new variety by them.
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Hi Chad
I'm not sure if it's a variety or not, as it may be just the inner side of the rim on a slope vs going straight down. Saying that, I bought a pair of 1984's being sold as near/far about 15 years ago, but no-one seemed to know too much about them then, either. I asked around a bit and got a bunch of blank looks or "oh, you mean the 1983's", but that was it. Still, I've checked a good number of rolls since then and it seems to me that there is a difference, so I think you're on to something. It would be really cool if it turned out to be something recognized.
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I talked to a coin expert today and sent them some pictures. I will also be sending them physical coins to look at. I conversation the first place they will be looking at is the die, if it was the wrong die!! That makes senses.1983 the Obverse and 1984 the Reverse in the same time frame. They said it happened before. I'm seeing about a 60% to 40% ratio and not rare by no means just a variety. I do agree others have found this before and maybe chime in.
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Got a response back from the Charlton Press.
Hello,
Thank for contacting us.
We appreciate you taking the time to bring this information to our attention.
Your email has been forwarded to the editor of the next issue.
Best regards,
Your Charlton Press team
514 954-3617 / 1 800 363-7082
www.charltonpress.com
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