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CARMICHAEL, Calif. (CBS13) ¯ One suspect is dead, the other under arrest after they allegedly tried to rob a coin and jewelry store in Carmichael and were confronted by the armed store owner. It's happened on Marconi Avenue near Walnut just after 4 a.m. The owner of Marconi Coin And Jewelry Exchange called 9-1-1 saying two men with ski masks on were trying to break-in to his business. The 911 operator heard gunshots while still on the line with the business owner. The 65-year-old business owner said one of the suspects was lying in the parking lot and the second subject was trying to help him. When deputies arrived and they found an unidentified Hispanic male lying on the ground and suffering from a gunshot wound to his upper body. Paramedics pronounced the suspect dead at the scene. The second suspect had fled from the scene. About an hour after the first call, deputies found and arrested the second suspect, 22-year-old Sergio Antonio Arauza, at the corner of Marconi Avenue and Eastern Avenue. He is being charged with one count of burglary and violating his probation. He is being held on $100,500 bail. The store owner has not been arrested. The Sheriff's department will investigate and then turn the case over to the District Attorney's office. But deputies say the shooting could be justified. "The business owner has the right to protect himself and his business," said Sacramento County Sheriff's Department spokesperson Tim Curran. "And he has a right to be armed." The business was apparently robbed about three weeks ago on April 29th. The owner told deputies he believed the two suspects trying to break in this morning were the same men who burglarized the store before. "Bill's always prepared. He's always on his toes," said a friend of the shop owner. "If they hit the place three weeks ago, they know what's in there and they either told his friends or came back again. That gun was in his shop because he's got them to protect himself." Investigators are looking for a possible connection between Arauza and a series of other Sacramento-area burglaries that occurred this morning. Arauza is scheduled to be arraigned on May 20, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. http://cbs13.com/breakingnews/carmi...1012193.htmlEdited by deadmunny
05/28/2009 12:37 pm
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Good! He gets his just desserts!  And this was in California? I can't believe the Sheriff's Dept actually sided with the store owner with the gun! |
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I don't see anything good from this story. A man is dead. We can all cheer and proclaim "one for the good guys," but that good guy has to live with the fact that he took someones life for the rest of his. I'm sure he's glad that he's still got his possessions, but it's gotta be bitter sweet.
It's not like they were trying to take his family or something. It's just possessions.
I'm not in any way against the shop-owner, I'm just trying to be reasonable. He was apparently within his rights as a US citizen, but sheesh, not good at all.
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Pillar of the Community
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Woah! This guy was shot in the parking lot. He hadn't even broken in yet. I fear the shop owner may be in trouble here.
I think I would have waited at least till he made it in the shop.
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Very few people when confronted with this situation are able to remain calm enough to properly aim and discharge their weapon. The usual result is random shots with no control. This is far more likely to result in a fatality.
Those that are able to remain calm in such a situation will probably have reasoned if deadly force is required or a warning shot would be sufficient. From the little information given in the story it is not clear that the men where armed. I suspect the owner panic'd and shot randomly. I have no doubt that his actions will be on his conscience for a long time to come.
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Rest in Peace
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Sounded to me if the suspect was shot in or near the store and made it to the parking lot before collapsing. Now, I don't believe in capital punishment nor Charlton Heston or the NRA, but it sounds to me as if the bad guys made a big mistake and paid for it. Not a positive situation, but the good guy survived and one of the bad guys didn't. Let's not be second-guessing and condemning the store owner from the garbled facts as presented, okay?
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I'm trying to figure out where that "500" came from in the $100,500 bail fee.
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My god...there was just a home robbed in Florida of $500K of coins, and now this. And just last week a coin shop in Portland was robbed where they used tasers to keep the owner at bay while they ransacked his store.
Unfortunately, I think we will see more of this as the summer goes on and people keep losing their jobs.
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United States
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I'm not condemning the store-owner by any means. I laud the fact that he was willing and able to defend himself and his property. I'm simply stating that there is really no good in this story. I mean, I guess the score is good guys 1, bad guys 0, but man, that's a big bad zero if you ask me.
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I am going to slightly disagree with you SJUHawks. What right do the two men have to come and try to take something that is not theirs in a forceable way? While it's sad that someone died because of it, he brought it upon himself. I have very little sympathy for people that do wrong onto others and pay for their actions.
Sorry if that sounds a little harsh, but I would have done the exact same thing if I was in the position of the shop owner. He called 911, but it's apparent things esaclated to the point where he couldnt wait for the cops to arrive. He might have been the one dead and all of his coins/hard work gone forever.
The sense of entitlement that people have these days is sickening to me.
Edited by CoinHunter53562
05/19/2009 1:11 pm
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Quote:
From Wikipedia "Deadly Force" page
In the United States, a civilian may legally use deadly force when it is considered justifiable homicide, that is to say when the civilian feels their own life, or the lives of their family or those around them are in legitimate and imminent danger. Now this story, according to Google is the most recent. 9 hours ago. Quote:
The store owner was inside his store at that time. He said he had spent the night there, Curran said, in anticipation of an early morning meeting regarding repairs to the store's front door.
The owner told investigators that before those repairs could be made, two suspects pried open the front door. The men, wearing black ski masks, "advanced on" the store owner, who fired shots at the intruders as he spoke to emergency dispatchers by phone, Curran said. "when the civilian feels their own life is in danger"You betcha. Say hello to my little friend. |
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Pillar of the Community
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SJUHawks, I hear what you're saying. Even if totally justified, one of the least likely feelings the store owner is having about this is "good". He may be glad (or relieved) he was able to protect himself, but certainly he wishes the episode never happened.
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Pillar of the Community
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Come to me down and out, I will extend a hand to help, pray for God's intervention and do what I can to easy the pain. But, do not enter my home and put my family in a threatening situation and expect to walk out the door. Don't be afraid of me, though, the wife is a better shot.
We worry way too much about criminal's rights. Until we start advocating for the victims and dealing properly with the perpetrators those who would feel inspired to commit crimes will feel no compunction about their actions.
Of course the store owner is feeling horrible. Being violated and feeling life threatened does, too.
Jim
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Scubu, that story makes me feel like Mr. Orange in Reservoir Dogs: give me my dollar back. They deserved it!
Seriously, though, that's more detail than the original story I read, and makes me feel better about the situation, if at all possible. I wasn't doubting the store owner's actions, just that there's no good here.
Thieves don't deserve death, but once they moved towards the store owner, I can't see any other course of action than the one he took, sad as that it.
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Bedrock of the Community
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After reading all your opinions I do feel I was a bit blunt in my first comment. It is sad that a life was lost, however, I do think this is the way to remain vigilant and warn crooks to stop. But, here's a quote from St. Th. Aquinas, Quote:
Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder, even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow. |
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