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State Quarter Mint Error Fakes Or Mistaken As An Error

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 Posted 02/03/2025  01:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add J--Rock to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello

novice here....

can anyone post pics of mint error fakes....

or mint error conflict ...

Pictures ....and explain.......

Eagle quarters and beyond.... what is a fake mint error ?

Or COMMONLY mistaken as a Mint error ?

Thanks


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 Posted 02/03/2025  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF.

Well that would be a monumental task to do. 'Fake' errors are abundant - far more than real mint errors. So get ready for a few. to post up here.
I'm in no position to post up images at the moment. But the first one that comes to mine is the "Vise Job" where 2 (or more) coins are pressed into a vise to create an impression on the one in the center.
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@J-Rock, that is a very broad topic. Denominations really don't matter as the same things occur on all coins. But in the realm of quarters, Machine Doubling on incuse lettering is quite often mistaken for a doubled die. Not that I've been searching long, but I have yet to see any true incuse doubling on quarters.

Thanks to Tiktok and YouTube, many people think coins with post mint damage ( PMD) are errors. These range from circulation hits to all sorts of abrasion and vise jobs (fake die clashes). I recommend getting familiar with error-ref.com.

For doubled die varieties, Machine Doubling is commonly mistaken for doubled dies. For quarters, use doubleddie.com and varietyvista.com for listings.

For any coins you have questions on, posting on this forum will get you answers.
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@jrock, first welcome to CCF. Second, I recommend that you review the most recent 50 or 100 threads in this subforum. You will see pics of potential mint errors followed by a sometimes spirited debate as to what is actually going on with these coins. It will be time well invested as you start your research.
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For fakes, you might check out the worst coins on ebay thread. For misidentified non-errors, this subforum is a good one.
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As a general rule, a "fake error" is a coin that has been either accidentally or deliberately damaged in such a way that someone might conceivably confuse it with an actual mint error. Typically, this involves mangling or mutilating the coin in some fashion.

A very typical example would be what are commonly known as a "vise job". To make a vise job, simply take a stack of several coins and squeeze them together - by putting the stack in a vise and turning the handle really really tight, or simply by putting them underneath a heavy piece of furniture and leaving it there for several decades. The coins in the stack will get squeezed into each other, and will likely leave partial impressions of each other behind. vise jobs are often mis-identified as "double struck" or sometimes as "partial brockages". Here's a recent vise job thread. Whereas this is what an actual "double struck" coin might look like.

How to tell them apart? Well, what really helps is to become very familiar with how coins are actually made. Once you've got a good idea on how this happens, then whenever you find an "odd-looking" coin, try and imagine some way by which that kind of appearance can be caused by the normal functioning or a predictable malfunction of mint machinery. If you cannot, then the answer is almost certainly "because it's not actually a mint error". Coin production isn't a terribly convoluted or complex process, and there are only a small number of ways that it can go wrong and create an error. There are far, far more ways that a coin can become damaged or mutilated after it leaves the mint.

Some general rules of thumb to keep in mind:

- Mint errors are valuable because they are rare. The vast majority of "odd-looking coins" are odd-looking because they've become damaged, corroded or otherwise mistreated after they left the mint. Such coins might "look cool" but have zero collector interest and value. In extreme cases, the coins have been reduced to scrap metal value as they are no longer considered legal tender.

- Use Occam's Razor: "the simplest explanation is the most probable explanation". Don't build up some crazy story about an incredibly improbable chain of events occurring within the mint to create a specific pattern of damage, when the far simpler (and therefore far more probable) explanation is "some idiot smashed this coin with a hammer". A corollary to this is "A coin very very rarely has two separate errors happening to it simultaneously". If a coin seems to have multiple weird things happen to it, try to find a single cause for all of those oddities, rather than a sequence of improbable causes.

- Be reasonable and logical. Example: suppose you find a heavily worn coin showing clear and obvious oddities. Let's be logical: if it actually came out of the mint looking like that, would hundreds or thousands of people have been given this coin in change and simply have spent it, causing the clear normal circulation wear patterns, and none of those people noticed the defect and put it aside? Occam's Razor would conclude that the coin probably did not have that damage when that wear and circulation happened to it. An important corollary to this: it's really, really hard to "prove" that a very badly worn or corroded coin has any kind of error or variety happening on it.
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