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Queen Anne Farthings

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 Posted 04/13/2025  01:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jdsstrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My wife and I have been watching and enjoying David Starkey's Monarchy. His attempts here and there to illustrate his points using the coinage of the time got me reading up on some things. The farthings of Queen Anne, for example. These were some of the first coins The Royal Mint was to produce in house after the law that ended the experiment with tin. And yet C. Wilson Peck, who would seem to know best, suggests that these farthings were minted in a variety of metals other than copper, including tin. But I can't find them (except at the British Museum). There's nothing but copper and the VERY occasional silver example. Not even a tin cast counterfeit. What gives?
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 Posted 04/13/2025  03:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even the copper farthings of Anne are all Rare with probably only a few thousand of 1713 and 1714 struck. There are lots of variations as well, some with completely different reverses. Most that come onto the market now are contemporary copies and even these fetch good money as they are the only option available for the type collectors.
Tin had fallen out of favour, even with the forgers, so I am not surprised there are none of those.
The Silver and Gold are all Extremely Rare, with only a handful struck.
I have a couple of the contemporary copies in my collection, both Copper:


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Thanks, Paddy! Yes, I should have written that the only examples I can find are made of copper AND EXPENSIVE. That's what got me looking for alternatives in the first place. I put these prohibitively expensive copper ones that I was finding together with what I had read which was that the Anne farthings were minted in other metals, including tin, AND with what I assumed contemporary counterfeiters would have used (i.e., copper AND tin), I put all that together and it added up that tin examples would be (or at least would have been at some point) available. But I can find no evidence in the auction records (London Coins, ebay, Stacks, Heritage...) that this is so. Unless I'm missing something.

Because I am new to all this and want to learn as much as I can, I need to ask: can I assume from the soft details of yours and the somewhat pitted surfaces, that they are cast counterfeits? As in the ones with the seam along the edge?
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They are cast, the 1714 more obviously than the 1713. It is presumed the castings were not even taken from a genuine coin as the detail, particularly in the letter sizes, does not correspond exactly to a known genuine coin.
Despite the very few issued, there are lots of varieties in copper, but all are expensive. There are also some pattern halfpennies for Anne, and these are even scarcer!
There is no mention in "English Copper, Tin and Bronze Coins" of any Tin examples during Anne's reign. As before I doubt the forgers would have tried it, and if they did, none are known to survive. With the ready fragmentation of Tin coins, that probably is not surprising.
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 Posted 04/13/2025  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdsstrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an excerpt from the Peck article that I alluded to above:

...With this short account of the various factors and events which retarded
our first essays in coining copper, we are in a better position to consider
two important statements concerning the Anne patterns and also several
pertinent facts that have emerged from an examination of a large number of
specimens, all of which must be reconciled before any worth-while classifica
tion can be drawn up...

2. The existence of these patterns—especially the farthings—in metals other
than copper, in quantities which seem hardly consistent with the Mint's
preoccupation with these experiments.
3. The fact that all the farthings on the medium and small-size flans occur only
in copper, and always have the edge plain, whereas all those in gold, silver,
and tin occur only on the large-diameter flans, and have the edge either
striated or clumsily filed...

Two other points I want to make is that Peck mentions that Sir Isaac Newton was also experimenting with lead as he prepared for the new Anne coinage. Brass too, apparently.

And here is a link to the tin farthing at the British Museum:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/colle...ect/C_E-5611

(BTW, Paddy, Thank you for indulging me and this rabbit hole I find myself down.)


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 Posted 04/13/2025  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! The Tin example is news to me, but so exceedingly rare that it will never be on my radar.
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Colin Cooke had one of the best privately owned farthing collections outside of the British Museum. Here's a link to the Queen Anne coins he had which might offer some insight:

https://www.colincooke.com/ccc_queenanne
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 Posted 04/14/2025  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdsstrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOTS of insight! Thanks, Kipster!
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