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Hello. I'm trying to find out more details regarding several below coins. Can anyone help with them? 1.   The first one has a note from the seller that this is Mughal Empire or Malwa Sultanate - falus 1562-1605 (5.95g and 16mm). I've tried to find it on numista and this seems to be the one than is the closest shot however I'm not sure if I've found the correct one. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces50867.html2.   This on looks like Kingdom of Kangra from Indian Northern Dynasties. It's described as jital, ruler Rupa Chandra Deva I. I think I've found it here. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces55497.htmlI'm not sure as my coin is a little bit smaller (13mm versus 14mm on numista) but heavier (3.30g versus 3.10g on numista). On the other hand obverse and reverse are very similar. 3.   This is the second one from Kangra. This time described as jital of Apurva Chandra Deva I (2.92g and 14mm). Although there are only 3 possible reference on numista neither of them looks similar from both sides. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44150.htmlhttps://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces54066.htmlhttps://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44147.htmlLast three coins are from the Delhi Sultanate. 4.   Described as 2 gani 1321-1322 from the ruler Ghiyath al din Tughluq I (3.13g and 16mm.). I didn't find any coin from this ruler with the inner circle. It seems that there is no 2 gani coin from this ruler either. 5.   Described as 4 gani 1316-1320 from the ruler Qutb al-din Mubarak Khilji (3.2g and 18mm). There is a quite similar coin here however I'm not sure if that's the correct one. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces51020.html6.   This is supposed to be 6 gani 1335 Muhammad bin Tughluq (3.63g and 14mm). There are some differences but overall it seems to be a correct reference https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces76400.htmlEdited by NumiFan
06/05/2025 2:47 pm
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You seem to have got them id#ed pretty well
No1 seems to be Mughal, Jalal al-din Muhammad Akbar, AH963-1014/AD1556-1605 Malwa type
No.2 you have got ID'ed OK - there is quite some variety in weights and sizes for these.
No.3 looks right as well - but Numista is not my go to place for any of these - Zeno.ru is a much more extensive online reference. Searching for coins on it can be a little tricky if you don't know what you are looking for in the first place - but the advanced search function works well
All the Delhi coins look OK as well - check out Zeno.ru for a much more comprehensive catalog of types.to help you narrow things down.
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06/08/2025 1:05 pm
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I checked Zeno regarding coin - No.1- and the only one from Malwa type is this one https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=246527I looks differently though and is smaller significantly. I checked others on Zeno and now I feel like it's good to search same piece on both places. Ex. Numista has 2 gani coin missing while it can be found on Zeno. On the other hand the 6 gani matches Numista while it seems that Zeno has no result (if I've searched correctly). |
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I have more coins of this region: 7.   Unfortunately I don't know much details regarding this one. It's 11,26g and 24mm. I guess that it's a 1 rupee however can't distinguish the region and period. 8.   This one is desribed as drachm of Khusro II 590-628 of Sasanian Empire. It looks like it's too light to be a drachm - 1.88g 23mm. Maybe a hemidrachm? There are no Khusro II hemidrachms on Numista or Zeno though. 9.   This one looks like Qarakhanid Khaganate '1 fals'. however it's describe as 1 dirham of Mansur Arslan. It doesn't look like dirham though as it looks like made of copper. Zeno searched with no clear reference. |
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The Indian rupee is from the Princely state of Awadh but issued in the name of Muhammad Shah, Kora mint, AH1145/Ry.10 (basically to pretend it's a Mughal issue to get the locals to use it - but isn't really)
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06/12/2025 12:12 pm
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Quote: I checked Zeno regarding coin - No.1- and the only one from Malwa type is this one https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=246527I looks differently though and is smaller significantly. When using the Zeno database it's best to use the advanced search option. Put "Malwa" in the title and the dimensions of the coin in the other relevant spaces. Give a couple of mm either way to account for variances. That should be enough to get you to most coins of interest. For example just asking for coins from Malwa gives 45 pages worth but the dimensions will narrow that down a bit. http://search.zeno.ru/index.php?v=0...=&e=&f=0&s=0Zeno is a fantastic resource, but sometimes you have to know what you are looking for before you look for it. With that in mind I created a "Mughal mints" page on my own website so it should be possible to just scan down them to try and match the pattern as a starter at least.. https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20mints.htmlThere are a couple of errors on that page which I must fix. Edited by Bacchus2
06/12/2025 12:09 pm
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Quote:When using the Zeno database it's best to use the advanced search option. Put "Malwa" in the title and the dimensions of the coin in the other relevant spaces. Give a couple of mm either way to account for variances. That should be enough to get you to most coins of interest. For example just asking for coins from Malwa gives 45 pages worth but the dimensions will narrow that down a bit. http://search.zeno.ru/index.php?v=0...=&e=&f=0&s=0 I tried it to no avail. Well, I decreased results significantly however didn't find the reference. I'll try some later as I can see that extended search is sometimes tricky. Quote:
The Indian rupee is from the Princely state of Awadh but issued in the name of Muhammad Shah, Kora mint, AH1145/Ry.10 (basically to pretend it's a Mughal issue to get the locals to use it - but isn't really) I tired to find this one but I'm not sure if I use the search option properly. When I put 'Awadh' as title and 'Kora' as mint I get 8 results from which none is 'Ry.10; However when I use 'Awadh' as title, leave mint field empty and set dates between 1140-1150 I get 7 results with one 'Ry.10' reference - https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=109043. This coin looks like mine, however it's described as Akhtarnagar not Kora. Besides that why there is year AH1140/Ry.10? Muhammad Shah reign started AH1135 so if this coin is 'Ry.10', then is should be dated AH1145 not AH1140... Quote:Zeno is a fantastic resource, but sometimes you have to know what you are looking for before you look for it. With that in mind I created a "Mughal mints" page on my own website so it should be possible to just scan down them to try and match the pattern as a starter at least.. https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20mints.htmlThere are a couple of errors on that page which I must fix. That's a great piece of data. I've just learned where to check the 'Ry. ' Edited by NumiFan
06/12/2025 1:20 pm
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Zeno doesn't have every date / regnal year combination on it. There are many gaps and indeed this particular combination is not there.
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The Sassanian coin appears to have been heavily clipped (metal removed from the outermost areas of the coin) which would explain the smaller-than-typical weight.
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Excellent attribution of the rupee by Bacchus2.  A rupee doesn't have to match the exact date or regnal year of another example to be identified. Being close, and matching in other features is enough. Edited by Seeker55
06/12/2025 8:27 pm
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Besides that why there is year AH1140/Ry.10? Muhammad Shah reign started AH1135 so if this coin is 'Ry.10', then is should be dated AH1145 not AH1140 When the East India Company / British Raj started issuing coins in the Mughal style they often used fictitious dates, sometimes changing them each year and sometimes not. It's quite a complicated picture and the practice varies in each particular administrative areas and at different times. It's such a fun area to explore. I have a page showing the rupees I have collected over the years which might be of interest. Some of them have a breakdown of what the script actually means - just search for "Overlay". It's obviously a work in progress https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.htmlAn example of how the inscription is broken down https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...rwardin.html |
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The Sassanian coin appears to have been heavily clipped (metal removed from the outermost areas of the coin) which would explain the smaller-than-typical weight. Ah, of course, I overlooked that this had been clipped. Thanks a lot for the hint. Quote:
A rupee doesn't have to match the exact date or regnal year of another example to be identified. Being close, and matching in other features is enough. Thanks, I'll be less strict when checking next coins as I still have some Indian states to verify. Quote:I have a page showing the rupees I have collected over the years which might be of interest. Some of them have a breakdown of what the script actually means - just search for "Overlay". It's obviously a work in progress https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.htmlAn example of how the inscription is broken down https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...rwardin.html Thanks for another source of knowledge, I'll keep an eye on that in the future. For now I have still many coins to investigate first :) I wonder if anyone can assist with the Qarakhanid Khaganate coin? I can't find any reference of copper dirham. Is any chance that this one is bilon instead of copper? |
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I've checked several additional coins in Zeno however I have some problems with identifying this Indo-Scythian coin - 14g weight and 26mm diameter. It is described as a tetradrachm of Azes I or II, minted in Taxila. I didn't find any tetradrachm that matches (different size and weight, also my coin looks like made of copper instead of silver). I'm wondering if this is not a hexa chalkon instead of. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces56876.htmlhttps://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=6702  |
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