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1858 Twenty Cent With Blundered I In Victoria

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Looking through some older purchases today. This one is PCGS AU-50 with nice original toning. Here is the PCGS link, where the pic expands https://www.pcgs.com/cert/31384348

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I always thought that, for the 1858's (regardless the denomination) were alignment marks making one of the master dies. I'm pretty sure that Brian Cornwall had a couple in his collections, definitely the 10 cents.

Here is an old CaC thread where the blunder/alignment marks were discussed, but everyone has their own opinion. I'm in the alignment mark sector, not the die crack sector like before.

http://coinsandcanada.com/forum/vie...451f2#p24069

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The problem with the obverse matrix (master die) theory lies in the fact that per the die records (still existing) Wyon only made one obverse matrix each for the 5, 10, and 20 cent coins. I have pictures of all of them (they still exist). No blundered letters on any of them.

We could hypothesize that the mint staff made other intermediate tools (subpunches and submatrices) that did not make into the die records. If they did so, they likely inherited the obverse legends from Wyon's matrices and therefore would not need reference marks. If intermediate tools ever existed, they have since been destroyed.

I'll be honest, I do not have an explanation for these marks other than blundered corrections in the working dies. Even that explanation has holes in it. Why did it happen only to the letters I?

Dunno. A conundrum.

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Well, who knows anyway, Rob. I've seen them auctioned off with both "blundered" remarks or "alignment marks". You've seen the actual die records in your jaunts for your books and articles, so I'll be in your camp that the marks weren't on the master so, unless the shop floor put some marks on a matrix, who knows?
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Very interesting history!

I have one each of the Victoria and Gratia blunders on the 20c; was there a 'blundered I' on the Dei as well for this denomination?
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There is a third blundered I variety as I recall. I do not remember if it is in DEI or REGINA,
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It's in DEI.
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