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Valued Member
New Zealand
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I'm trying to get a better sense of how folks view a significant lamination flaw on a key date like this. Would this enhance or take away from the value of this particular coin? Either way, I'm not too bothered. I acquired it over a decade ago via the local auction web site. It was part of a larger group of coins, a mix of some late 19th and early 20h century coins, including some silver. I could see the 1909 obverse, so I knew it was an S. The photos of everything were marginal, so I asked (nicely) for better pictures of both sides of everything. It was maybe 20 coins. They only replied that if I wanted them, I should bid for them. They were not going to post more photos. I bid and won the lot for around NZ$70. Thanks in advance.   ETA: just wanted to note this is my eleventy-first post. Do not read this sentence.
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07/02/2025 11:11 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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I'll wait for our experts to offer opinions, but to my eye the reverse of that coin does not appear to be 'right'.
The font size/type appears to be incorrect. More significantly, if this were a real lamination how would the leg of the wheat stalk be completely uninterrupted passing through it?
I'm calling this one questionable authenticity. I am not an expert on this coin however.
I hope for you I'm wrong.
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Valued Member
 New Zealand
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I hear you, nickelsearcher, and I'm keen to hear more opinions, but I aprpreciate your input. I would say that, given the length of the lamination issue, it manages to run up through other letters as well, some of which are also well-formed. The lower round bit of the "D" is solid, but the upright has a break. The flaw runs right up to the "C" in "CENTS". Fair to say there are issues in the surface of much of the reverse. To my mind, it's a combination of roller marks and lamination problems. There's a lesser issue to the right of the "E" and "T" in "ONE CENT" as well.
ETA: the issue with the wheat stalk being complete over the lamination flaw seems an odd and excessive thing to "fake". I'll try to get a better photo of that in daylight as well.
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07/02/2025 1:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2003 Posts |
It looks like a genuine coin. The mint mark position appears to be a match for position #3. The reverse shows the proper markers for genuine ( Shallow N in UNITED and the dot centered between D and B). I can't tell if the S had the telltale lump inside the upper loop. I say genuine and VF-20 despite the lam or planchet flaw.
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Valued Member
New Zealand
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Thanks, MisterT. Agreed on VF-20. Here's a close crop on the original image, so no effort to get a better shot yet. I'll try in daylight tomorrow. For some reason my macro lens just isn't achieving clarity up close. Operator error to be sure.  Do not read this sentence.
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07/02/2025 06:51 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks to be a legit amination issue. Piece looks to have been cleaned a while back.
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Valued Member
New Zealand
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Looks to be a legit amination issue. Piece looks to have been cleaned a while back. Thanks for that. Yes, it's been around the block, but beggars can't be choosers. Do not read this sentence.
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07/02/2025 09:03 am
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United States
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Nice example!  |
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United States
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Let me ask this:
If this is a legit lamination, why is the stem of the right wheat stalk not affected?
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United States
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If this is a legit lamination, why is the stem of the right wheat stalk not affected? Way above my pay grade.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2003 Posts |
Could this have not been a defective planchet before strike?
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United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Nice Lamination. Not sure if it would enhance or take away value. Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Looks genuine to me. The mintmark position is correct for die pair #3 as @MisterT mentioned. Sharper photos of the mintmark and the VDB would help to confirm. The end of the right wheat stalk appears a bit weak, so I suspect the lamination peeled off before the strike. It's a sought-after coin because of scarcity, and I think most collectors would want a coin in the best possible condition without defects. So I think the lamination would detract slightly from value, but at the price you paid, you got quite the bargain!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I bid and won the lot for around NZ$70. Quite a deal you got there! 70 New Zealand Dollar equals 42.49 United States Dollar |
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New Zealand
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Do not read this sentence.
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07/04/2025 07:32 am
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