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Is the VDB on a 1909 the same as a VDB on a 1909-S? Edited by Marc Ingram
08/15/2025 10:19 am
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Is only BadThad allowed to reply?  |
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Yeah, I think if anyone knows, they can share it.  |
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Is only BadThad allowed to reply? No, please feel free. |
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Is there something that makes you think the initials are different? I would have just assumed that they are part of the master hub, and therefore identical on cents struck at all branches. But I don't know that. I'm just asking the question. With all the counterfeits out there, just wondering if there are other indicators or die markers on the coin that would confirm a legitimate 09-S-VDB. |
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Is there something that makes you think the initials are different? I would have just assumed that they are part of the master hub, and therefore identical on cents struck at all branches.  Quote:
But I don't know that. Same. |
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Since 1909 VDB cents are plentiful and inexpensive, I expect almost all fake S-VDB cents are produced by adding an S mintmark to the Philly coin. Adding the VDB to a 1909-S would require a lot more work, plus the host coin would be more expensive.
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Adding the VDB to a 1909-S would require a lot more work, plus the host coin would be more expensive. Still a decent profit, depending on actual time spent.  |
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The V.D.B. actually are different on the Philly and San Francisco Mint issues. It is one of the best ways to determine whether the coin is an added mintmark or not. The difference is in the period locations.  Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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There are several indicators for a real 09s VDB.
The "s" mintmark should have a dot in it
The center line in the B of VDB should slope to the left at almost 45 degrees
There are charts you can look up that show the correct placement of the "S". There are 4 correct alignments.
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As Jacrispies mentions, the dot centered between the D and B is one diagnostic of a genuine S V.D.B. The die chip (lump) in the upper loop of the S is another as well as the "Shallow" N in UNITED. Here is a link with genuine diagnostics and the 4 known MM positions for a genuine coin. https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ho...gle_vignette |
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Well, I definitely learned something today. Thanks for the education, guys. =)
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As Jacrispies mentions, the dot centered between the D and B is one diagnostic of a genuine S V.D.B. The die chip (lump) in the upper loop of the S is another as well as the "Shallow" N in UNITED. Here is a link with genuine diagnostics and the 4 known MM positions for a genuine coin. Question: Is the shallow N only on the 09-S-VDB?.. or is it on other wheat cents as well? |
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Is the shallow N only on the 09-S-VDB?.. or is it on other wheat cents as well? Yes and yes. It IS only on the VDB-S. And it is also on the 1909-S (Both shallow and deep N's are on the 09-S) |
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Posted 08/15/2025 10:08 am
