1803 C-2 1/2c New Terminal Die State Struck Through A Steel-Nibbed And Wood Stylus Pen? - Page 2

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Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 08/28/2025 8:58 pm Take a look at this, from The Davey Collection. This coin passed through the Mill after it was double-struck; the reverse offers undeniable proof of that http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...e=60&lot=224 Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 08/28/2025 9:07 pm Here's a cute 1807/6 Large Cent, with two hard and massive strike-throughs, having passed through the Upsetting Mill after striking Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 08/28/2025 10:17 pm "All coins pre-1836 are slightly out of round. This also proves the upsetting mill was pre strike." This simply is not true Report this Post to the Staff
jacrispies Pillar of the Community United States 3848 Posts	Posted 08/28/2025 10:37 pm It is fruitless to talk with someone who doesn't consider the facts of both sides of the debate. You post damaged coins and come up with wack, nonsensical theories. The only reason I am calling this out, is for the sake of others' education and intellectual protection. I am done here. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955 Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. Report this Post to the Staff
Marv65 Bedrock of the Community United States 10595 Posts	Posted 08/29/2025 12:41 am I'm staying out of this one - easier just to say "Thank you for the information" and move on. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 97307 Posts	Posted 08/29/2025 09:25 am Nice Cud on this coin, but that sure looks like a post strike scrape to me. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 08/29/2025 10:48 am Dearborn: That is what it may look like, but that "scrape" made a few new, unlisted Cuds along its journey, the easiest-seen is the one above I/AME... Edited by Oldgrouchyguy 08/29/2025 10:49 am Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25453 Posts	Posted 08/29/2025 11:02 am This is not a strike-through but a damged coin. Above the A in AMERICA is a gouge to the rim. The top of the M is flattened with metal smeared. The I and C are smeared with damage to the rim. Also, steel nibs were not in widespread use for another 20 or 30 years. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 97307 Posts	Posted 08/29/2025 10:42 pm Scraped or gouges do not 'create' Cuds on other coins. A broken die with a missing piece of the edge of the die does. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 08/30/2025 12:39 pm Dearborn: that would be incorrect. I found the Unique 1828 12 Star 1/2C, now Manley 2.0. with a large Cud on the reverse rim right next to a strikethrough. Mr. Manley knew it to be a be a new die state caused by a strikethrough. I think there are pictures of it around somewhere. I had it on ebay for a while; the author of some new books on Half Cents had no idea of its existence. And, fwiw: there are no other known 1803 C-2 1/2C with these new Cuds Edited by Oldgrouchyguy 08/30/2025 12:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 08/30/2025 12:50 pm Hondo Boguss: you can see the die break through the tops of the smushed M; what smushed it is the remnant of the wood stylus As far as steel pen nibs not being around then: I refer you to The Industrial Age, esp in Great Britain, from where the US imported all sorts of stamped metal Edited by Oldgrouchyguy 08/30/2025 1:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 632 Posts	Posted 08/30/2025 1:03 pm "Blanks do not go through the upsetting mill after striking." jacrispies: Truer Words Were Never Written!! Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 97307 Posts	Posted 08/30/2025 5:03 pm This topic is going nowhere. You claim this, and that, but never have anything to prove your thoughts or claims. I'm getting ready to lock up this topic.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
RedRaider Pillar of the Community United States 1021 Posts	Posted 08/30/2025 5:08 pm Just send it in for grading and settle this once and for all. Probably will disagree and argue with the pros when they disagree with you. Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 25453 Posts	Posted 08/30/2025 8:25 pm Quote: you can see the die break through the tops of the smushed M; what smushed it is the remnant of the wood stylus I certainly don't see that in the pictures provided. I see a coin that suffers post-mint damage. Quote: As far as steel pen nibs not being around then: I refer you to The Industrial Age, esp in Great Britain, from where the US imported all sorts of stamped metal "It was not until the 1820s, when John Mitchell, Josiah Mason and others set up a factory in Birmingham, England to manufacture steel nibs, that their popularity took off." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nib_(pen) Dearborn, please don't lock this topic. I want OGG to post images of the slab when he gets it back from a TPG. But I have the feeling that will never happen. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
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