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1836 50c O-106A - A Case Of Grading Malpractice?

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Sometimes a grading determination stops me in my tracks and makes my jaw drop to the ground. Am I the only one who believes this is grading malpractice? $8K smackers for this beauty.

1836-50c-O-106A---A-Case-Of-Grading-Malpractice?
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1836-50c-O-106A---A-Case-Of-Grading-Malpractice?
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NGC has much better pictures of this than what the seller posted. But it is still unattractive with all of the spotting and on the reverse the NGC pics show and ugly black line that is muted in these photos, probably why they didn't use NGC pics.
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I'd be at MS-63 on this one.
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the eye appeal on this one would not warrant this grade.

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Strike and eye appeal should be at least average (if not necessarily excellent) at the MS-65 level. This piece gets low marks on both parameters.
I presume a monster die clash generated that bulge below Liberty's chin. Is this a rare late die state example that warrants special grading treatment?
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I presume a monster die clash generated that bulge below Liberty's chin. Is this a rare late die state example that warrants special grading treatment?


The anomaly below the chin is progressive indirect design transfer, not directly a clash. The coin in hand is very lustrous and mark-free from a technical perspective. PCGS clearly liked the coin for Gem, but discounted to MS-64+ for eye appeal. NGC overlooked the eye appeal and gave it a bump to 65.

Not grading malpractice, but the result of a vast and well-developed capitalist market. A great example of why the market prefers PCGS CAC coins more than anything else.
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Not grading malpractice, but the result of a vast and well-developed capitalist market.

Sounds like the definition of malpractice.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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The descriptive labels given grades are in themselves little more than marketing tools. An average consumer would expect that something called "good" could be better than something called "fine" and that anything called "very" or "extra" would be better than anything called "almost." If the labels were honest, grades 01-10 would be called "heavily circulated," 12-35 would be called "average circulated," 40-58 would be called "lightly circulated," and 60+ would still be called "uncirculated." No dealer would want to try to sell coins called "heavily circulated," so here we are.

Similarly, "details" coins should honestly be called "damaged" coins. Unscrupulous marketers (read " ebay") love to palm off Good Details coins as "Good, with Details," deliberately misleading people who don't know the difference into thinking these are wonderful coins. Consider also the unscrupulous TV silver dollar sellers who advertise that "your coin will be uncirculated to fine," implying that F is better than UNC.
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