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Need Help Here For A Grading Question, And A 1944-S Walking Liberty Grading

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 Posted 10/09/2025  04:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 144233 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've always had a question confused me for a long time: coin grading is determined by comparing to the mint state. When a die wears to a certain extent but hasn't been discarded yet, the coins produced naturally lack details,1953s Franklin halves for example #12290;Even if they are freshly made#65292;would they be hard to achieve a good grading like gem condition?
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So how about this walking liberty?
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 Posted 10/09/2025  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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When a die wears to a certain extent but hasn't been discarded yet, the coins produced naturally lack details

I know this has been a challenge for me as well.
DD, Grease Filled Dies, strike pressure or a combination of these all contribute to the final outcome.
Funny you mention the FHD 53-S...I sent one in thinking I hit the jackpot! It came back MS-65 no FBL's. What a bummer!
This 44-S looks like she's been around the block a couple of times...
No thumb, smooth gown up the middle, ware on her breasts and collar. Eagles left leg lacks details, and I've never seen a wing with that kind of details or lack thereof in the middle since it's not really a high point?
Great hole filler.
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 Posted 10/09/2025  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regular old wear, weak strike, grease-filling, and worn dies, can all appear superficially similar, in that all can cause the high points of a coin to lose detail. There is a key difference, however: wear will destroy or disrupt the lustre, while weak strike, worn dies and grease-filling retain lustre. Wear might also mainfest itself as a different colour to the toning.

Your 1944 half dollar has all the hallmarks of actual, honest-to-goodness wear.

Of course, it is entirely possible for a coin struck with worn dies to then enter circulation and receive a bucketload of actual wear. In which case, in terms of grading, it's usually all lumped together and graded as if all the missing detail is due to wear.
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When I first saw the coin, I thought the same as Sap
but seeing I couldn't word it any better, I will just say that I agree with Sap's analysis.
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For XF grades and higher, I primarily grade by mint luster. Fully lusterous surfaces show a lack of wear, whereas a lack of luster would show there is a degree wear. Strike weakness is not considered a primary grading point in my opinion. For example, an Unc coin with XF strike detail does not mean it is XF. But it may downgrade the coin to low MS. Therefore strike weakness can be ignored for the first step of grading. Practice allows you to discern the difference between strike weakness and wear.
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1940's S Mint Walkers tend to have weaker strikes. This one looks EF details, cleaned.
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