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Genuine Greek Pantikapaion/Pan Or Fake?

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I bought this from Dirty Old Coins and am wondering if it is a genuine Greek coin. The patina and general condition of the coin are different from any other Greek and Roman coins I have.

This is the info for the coin: Greek copper coin from the Black Sea of Pantikapaion 4th-3rd century BC. 15mm, 3 grams.
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Dirty Old Coins is a legitimate ancients dealer, been around for decades. While even an honest dealer can sometimes sell a fake, this coin is almost certainly genuine.

Many ancient ruined cities are protected from wide-scale looting and plundering by laws in the country in which the ruins can now be located. Pantikapaion is in what is now Russia, a country which has few such constraints. Coins from this city are thus not difficult to acquire (though becoming less so, with the restrictions on trade with Russia since the Ukraine war). The coin has most probably been harshly cleaned and repatinated, but this is not unusual for ancient bronze coins that are heavily encrusted and require harsh cleaning to be identified.
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Thank you Sap, for the explanation. I thought it might have been repatinated, and it's good to hear a 2nd opinion back that up.

Any idea why there are tabs on either end that look like they've been snipped?
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Thanks for the welcome jbuck!
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@hyper, first welcome to CCF. Second, while I agree with @sap, I wonder if you might be able to add a picture of the edge of this coin to the thread. The surfaces are awfully porous but I suppose that the sprue indicates that these were cast and may show a parting line.
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The "tabs" are casting sprues, indicating that either the coin or the original blank were cast. The blanks, in this case. There are many other examples of these coins with casting sprues. There's a few down the bottom of this page that clearly show them: http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Pan/Pan.html

And my mistake; I mis-remembered the location. Pantikapaion is actually situated in Crimea on the western side of the Kerch Strait, in what is now Russian-occupied Ukraine. Being within an active warzone, it is not surprising that some of these coins are coming onto the market.
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I don't have a photo of the edge handy, but they are rounded without any casting line.
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And my mistake; I mis-remembered the location. Pantikapaion is actually situated in Crimea on the western side of the Kerch Strait, in what is now Russian-occupied Ukraine.
Pantikapaion (now Kerch) is indeed (just barely) on the Crimea side of the strait rather than in mainland Russia. Occupied (with the rest of Crimea) in 2014, though, so not quite an active warzone the way most of the rest of occupied Ukraine is (though reportedly it's starting to become one).

Their coins already felt like some of the most common ancients in Moscow coin markets back in 2013; even more so after the 2014 annexation, when (I'm guessing) a lot of newly uncovered examples turned up from Russian diggers, and suddenly everyone had a bucket full of Pantikapaion bronzes. They seemed almost more common than LRBs sometimes.

I don't see anything obviously wrong with your coin; they have those sprue-like bits sometimes, and plausibly it's just that the flans were cast, but of course it's not impossible that it's just a cast fake. I'd call that unlikely, though, given how common they are.
Kwinto has an immense collection of Pantikapaion coins. There are many more examples online.
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