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 , to the community. Are these a recent purchase? If so did they come from China? The reason I'm asking is that these coins are being mass produced in China and sold as real coins, when in fact they are fakes. They have gotten so good at making them that it's getting very hard to tell the good ones from the fakes. |
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They are Chinese, with the designs from the 18th-19th century. The fat guy on 2 of them is Yuan Shikai, the person who wrestled control after the Emperor was deposed. The other one is Sun Yatsen, or father of Modern China.
Coins 1, 3 and 5 are silver dollar coins.
The second one is a commemorative for the fat guy because right after he overthrew the last emperor, he created (but failed) a new dynasty.
Coin 4 is a qian or a mace (a unit of measure)and was minted in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo. It says Emperor Kangde 5th year, which translates into 1939, I think?
The last one is a dollar coin from Imperial China from Xuantong Emperor (the last one, who is also Kangde). It says 7m2c because that indicates a unit of weight of silver, which is equal to a foreign dollar.
But.... here's the bad part. These coins are counterfeited beyond existence, so you have to check their authenticity by weight and a magnet. I'm already feeling queasy about the 3rd and 5th one.
But in the event that they're real, they're worth about $30-$50.
Edited by wd1040
06/14/2009 5:32 pm
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i didnt purchase these, they belong to my husband and he has had them since 15 years ago and he got them from his grandfather along time ago...
about if they are real or not, they are quite heavy and can you tell me what to do with the magnet? is it saposed to stick or what ?
thank you so much for your help I apreciate it :)
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Poor quality fakes are often made of steel, and will stick to a magnet. Genuine coins and better fakes won't stick.
If you can obtain a weight to the nearest 0.1 grams, that's also a helpful indicator. Many fakes are either overweight or underweight, but some are not.
Personally, I'm skeptical of them. They've got all the hallmarks of Chinese fakes: strange colours, odd "wear" patterns, and missing detail where detail shouldn't be missing.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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It's not supposed to stick to a magnet because they are all supposedly silver. If it does, then you have a fake.
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United States
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wd1040, you meant 19th and 20th century? :)
1st coin is dated 1914, although real ones were continued to be minted after with the same date. Many copies exist and they are hard to tell from the real ones.
3rd coin is from 1932. It is the first year of issue and has the sun rays and birds. These were removed in the next year because they represented bombers and the rising sun of Japan. This is a hard to find coin, but the coin that you have looks like a copy to me.
5th coin is from 1933.
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Yeah, 19th and 20th :) My bad.
Say, does that 1933 look odd to you?
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They are all fake. No much doubt.
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I have a similar Yuan Shikai Coin that I bought in Mongolia last month.. Although diameter, thickness, weight and "ring-sound" would indicate it's a 90% silver - from some further "research" I am afraid it is just a very good copy. (Face and some details of Shikai seem to differ from real coin, as well the alignment does not seem 100% medal) - Based on a "good fake", how much is this coin actually worth supposing it contains 90% Ag? - How much alignment tolerance would still fall within acceptable limit for coins? I have e.g. 2 piastres de commerce, that have not full coin alignment. It's like 10° and 15° off, respectively... Many thanks for your expertise   |
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All fake - worth just scrap metal value. I wouldn't even touch them to be honest - who knows if they are filled with lead / arsenic etc. They are counterfeits afterall.
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