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Victoria 25c Portrait Variety Sub-Variations

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In the Victorian 25c variety section in the back of the 2008 Charlton catalogue, there are pictures of variations within the same portrait (Q-2a, Q-2b, etc.) but I absolutely cannot tell what differences to look for. The same goes with the reverse leaf varieties. Is there a written guide to accompany the pictures? Thanks
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Are you referring to the different obverse types?

This is a good comparison tool:
https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coin...Send=Compare
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Obverse yes, but even more specific subtypes than the main 5 obverse types. There are apparently variations within the portrait variety themselves. It's in the back of the 2008 Charlton, I don't have the catalogue with me now but I will upload pics on Monday.
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Pictures out of the back of the 2008 catalogue about variations within the same portrait. Lots of photos, but not a lot of written descriptions! Is there a written guide somewhere to accompany these? Because I can't figure it out.
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And for the reverses: I can see slight differences branch going up to Leaf 11 in the LBE Reverses 1 & 2 vs Reverses 3 & 4 & 5, but other than that, everything else looks identical (so I cannot narrow it down to a single variety).
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Mods, I had the images oriented upright on my phone and on my computer. How do I rotate on the forum? I remember being able to do that on the optimizer.
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You will probably have to open, orient, and save them using an external program. Some phones store image orientation locally in its library, not the image metadata.
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Oof, I'll try again later. If I have the time today, I'll overwrite these files once I get home.
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They are showing right side up on my screen.
Doesn't seem to be a problem.
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You are using Safari on a Mac. I am using Firefox on Windows. If Altaira is photographing with an iPhone, this might be some proprietary Apple humbug.
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Now your photo is sideways.
Strange things are happening!
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That is a screen shot of what his post looks like to me.
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Correction:
Altaira is a female.
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Have you compared the 2008 catalogue data/photos to the 2026? The specific differences are the shape of HRH's lips and ends of the ribbons.
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I am NOT looking for differences between the five major portrait varieties! There are more than enough resources for that. I'm looking for a way to identify the sub-variations, which exist within each major obverse type/portrait itself, that are being referred to in this book. And by extension, the reverse sub-types too. I have checked other Charlton catalogues (including 2026), and as far as I'm aware, 2008 is the only edition to go in-depth with the obverse and reverse sub-varieties. (And date positioning, but that is difficult to measure.)

Correct jbuck, Apple indeed. I've tried rotating the pictures on a Windows PC but no luck. They still show up sideways on the forum.
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Correction: Altaira is a female.
My apologies. I usually check the profile, and will use the indeterminate 'their' if it were not listed. In this case, it is.
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Correct jbuck, Apple indeed. I've tried rotating the pictures on a Windows PC but no luck. They still show up sideways on the forum.
Okay, I will need to do some testing. Perhaps the new optimization code is to blame.
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