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Forum Mom
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Pillar of the Community
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Susan, spent the night checking all my material. Nothing to be found. The clashes and die polishing lines do not disrupt any of the design elements so they mean nothing by themselves. Can't tell from the pictures if any of date is doubled or letter transfers by the front neckline and hair vee. All I can tell you is 'near date' but I'm sure you know that already. Sorry.
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Fascinating. I see what sure looks like a pretty strong clashed "t" in the hair vee (closest to second star right of 7), but nothing to indicate it's other than a clashed version of a different VAM. Check stars, date and ear closely for doubling. |
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Added comment: Explore the cracks over STATES OF; there seems to be some match with Heritage examples of VAM-3A. For that to be true, you'd need to see the top of the 7 and below the crossbar of the 1 to be doubled.
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Forum Mom
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Thanks for the input. I think I can see the clashed "t" and the crack from the eagle's body through the wing is there. I'm having difficulty seeing the doubling in the date because of the luster. I'll work on that and try to get better pics posted tomorrow, but I am leaning towards 3A.
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Forum Mom
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Here is a much better pic of the date and another one of the crack in the eagle's wing. I definitely see the doubling at the 1 and 7. As far as getting any decent pics of the clashed letters, I don't think that is going to happen since I can't even see them in the pics on VAMWorld.   Even though I am not seeing the clashed letters, I think the rest of the markers are enough to prove VAM-3. Maybe the clashed letters aren't there and it isn't an A. What do you think? |
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Susan, I still can't positively say it's the 3A. What I can tell you is my 3 does not have the die gouge in the wing. My 3A does. When I blow up the obverse picture I now believe I see the clashed T above the second star near the hair. Look for the ace of spades with a very wide stem. All that shows is the bottom of the T and part of the horizontal bar, not the whole T. The N is very hard to spot unless the light and angle are just right.
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Susan,
I think that everyone is on the right track about the VAM-3A! However, considering the excessive Late Stage Die Polish marks between the lower portion of the Eagle's Wings and the Wreath, I wonder if this might warrant a new designation, (i.e. VAM-3B)!
Frank
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07/04/2009 4:03 pm
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Forum Mom
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Okay, should I be considering sending this to Mr. Van Allen? Along with the polishing lines, I think the die gouges at the lip and chin should be additional markers also. If I'm going to specify a VAM, I want it to be accurate. How exactly do I go about doing submitting it to Mr. Van Allen? Is there a specific website for submissions or do any of you have Mr. Van Allen's email address. (Please don't post it here as I don't want the spam bots to get it.) |
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Susan, I would seriously consider sending it to Mr. Van Allen! I think that you can also submit Morgan dollars for VAM examination and consideration to VAM World and I think Ash Harrison at www.ashmore.com. I have had Mr. Van Allens address at least a half dozen times and lost it every time. I had planned sending some Morgans to him for VAM examination and consideration but just never got around to it. I only have one 1922-P Peace dollar with a Satin Finish that I really want him to examine and also need his' address. Good luck...Frank Edited by huntsman53
07/07/2009 12:00 am
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Here's what I'm seeing as a clashed "t;" I may be wrong:  The marks at the lip and chin are additional clashing, from the leaves on the reverse. The presence of clashing, and polishing lines, on an existing VAM isn't necessarily enough to warrant a new VAM designation. This would be something to post at VAMworld, where the guys who are shaping VAMs into the future hang out. |
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Forum Mom
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Frank, here is the link to the VAMWorld page with all of the submission information. It is suggested that the coin be posted on VAMWorld prior to submission to make Mr. Van Allen's job a little easier. Link |
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Forum Mom
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I think I see the "t"! Thanks, Dave! Now, with that in mind, is it worth posting this on VAMWorld as a possible later die state since it has clashes at the lip and chin and additional polishing lines?
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Pillar of the Community
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Looks like a VAM-SL9 if you ask me! :P Just kidding....please keep us posted on this. I just recently started to get more into VAM's and would like to see the outcome of this one. |
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Now, with that in mind, is it worth posting this on VAMWorld as a possible later die state since it has clashes at the lip and chin and additional polishing lines? Looks like they've already been there: http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/5117899I have the impression that you want your coin to be the single-clash version. If it is, it's a "hold until more popular" example. |
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Forum Mom
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I think I'll be holding on to this one. It certainly matches the one being discussed in that thread, but it may be a while before this one is recognized. I especially like the lips and chin on this one. Very interesting. Thank you all for your help.  |
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