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How can one learn to detect a fake 1909 s vdb lincoln?
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Forum Mom
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Welcome to our CC family!  I know that there are a number of ways to identify these, but I am far from being a Lincoln expert. We have a number of collectors who can help you and hopefully, Coppercoins will reply. He wrote the book on Lincoln cents.  |
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Welcome!! Right of the bat you have a tough question..  If there is any way possible for you to post a nice picture of the coin, there are members that can help you out. Otherwise I believe it would be in your best interest to purchase a slabbed coin. |
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welcome to the community, we have a member here with the nick swamperbob he is the best counterfit detector I have ever seen. If you post a picture I am sure he would be able to help you identify if the coin was fake or real
HMM guess he beat me to the punch, guess I should have refreshed the page before I posted (got caught up ina movie while posting) anyway he is the best around that I know of so he should be able to help you
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04/17/2006 7:55 pm
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Every time I log onto the US section of " ebay", it is frightening to see the number of fakes offered from sellers in China. Imagine what it is going to be like when tens of thousands visit China for the next Olympics and then bring back some of these bogus coins, later off loading it when they return home from the Games....  |
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I agree lim, its going to be frightening especially for the collector just starting out and doesn't know any better
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Originally posted by Bryan1315
I agree lim, its going to be frightening especially for the collector just starting out and doesn't know any better
Just thinking out loud....with the proliferation of such coins then, most collectors will only buy "entombed" coins. What is there to stop them from manufacturing the slabs used by TPGs and then using a false slab ID ? How many of us check with TPGs that a slabbed coin in our collection matches that in their records ? |
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Normally, on a fake S VDB, the S is added to a 1909 (Plain) VDB. If you can inspect the coin in person, it is quite easy to tell. One the reverse, for the VDB, here's the difference:  The top illustration is a Plain VDB, or a VDB with an added mintmark. The Bottom is a genuine S-VDB. Although I exaggerated the D coming down to a point, it should get the point across. The B's "crossbar" is at a slant, vs. a plain VDB. But the book the swamperbob suggested, http://cgi.ebay.com/OFFICIAL-GUIDE-...mZ8407458830 is excellent. I have this book and would tell everyone to get it. PCGS came out with a second edition... my thinking was second has to be better than the first, I was wrong. The book that is linked is the one to get. There are also other methods to tell me looking at the S, that is explained in this book. If you are looking on ebay to buy one, be very careful. Make sure the person you are buying from has a lot of great feedback. Do not buy one that says anything along the lines of "here it is, I do not know anything about it (Which is bull, they know it is a fake)" If they do not offer a money back guarantee, I would also stay away from them.. Just my two-cents worth. Jordan Edited by jdheyne
04/20/2006 11:50 am
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Originally posted by lim118
Just thinking out loud....with the proliferation of such coins then, most collectors will only buy "entombed" coins. What is there to stop them from manufacturing the slabs used by TPGs and then using a false slab ID ? How many of us check with TPGs that a slabbed coin in our collection matches that in their records ?
I actually do check the certification number before I buy any coin, I am a member of NGC's collector society (which I think you have to be to check their numbers) and always check their numbers and PCGS has it free so I always check theirs as well before I buy a coin in their slabs. I have actually came across a few of them that had been "DELETED" from NGC's registry, one of them being a auction from Heritage, a Botanic Garden Commerative coin. I have emailed NGC to tell them about the problem and a link to the auction at Heritage. It may just be a problem on NGC's part I dont know but I have found like 15 in peoples registry and the coins have since been deleted out of competing in the registry. The emails that was sent back to me from NGC said there was a problem with these coins and thry were going to investigate the problem and about a month later all the coins I found were deleted out of the registry either by the people that owned the coins or NGC themself. Actually all of the coins were owned by people in the #1 spots and at least one has dropped to #2 since the one coin was deleted. Also all of the coins were MS-65DPL or above so they were pretty significant in their point standings |
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Kind of related... I was told early on look at the coin, not the slab. I was talkin to someone who used to set up at some of the shows. Well he had a 1916 D Mercury dime that was slabbed, AG-3, but the case got cracked. He took the 16-D out to get reslabbed, and put in a 1916 S in it's place. He brought it to a show, someone came along, look at the coin (obverse and reverse) and decided he wanted it. The "dealer" then told the customer to look at the coin again, looked at it, still wanted it. The dealer then sid look at the mintmark. So he got out his loop, and he about freaked. "What kind of "stuff" you trying to pull here". He said I am not trying to fool anyone, which is why I told you to check it out... that is just a free lesson for you. |
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Although this is a very rought website, I went ahead and threw something together to hopefully help some people out. http://www.bright.net/~isaac/index_.../Page813.htmLike I said, pretty rough, but it should do what it needs to do for now. I know someone who has a couple fakes, so I plan to get ahold of those coins and get pictures to compare. I will also get pictures of the 1909 Plain VDB to compare as well, but that will come later. |
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Posted 04/17/2006 7:30 pm
