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A Handful Of Unc Or Dang Near Uncs For Grading

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 Posted 04/17/2006  11:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hopefully the Morgans buffs out there don't mind grading a few more...
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1878 7/8 TF
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1878 7TF
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I thank you for all your time.
I am doing this to find out if there is anything that may be worth sending in.
If you would like better pics of anything, just let me know.
Thanks!
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 Posted 04/18/2006  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay...here are my opinions:

1878 - AU55
1878S - AU58
1878 - MS60
1898 - UNC details, cleaned
1896 - AU58
1890 - AU50
1889 - AU58
1887 - AU55
1884O - AU58 or MS63 - I would need to see this coin in hand to determine if areas show wear or are just weakly struck
1903 - AU55
1888O - MS62, great reverse toning - you're right, the cheek hits are not as obvious in this pic. I still think it could waver between 61 and 62 but cannot make a determination without seeing this coin in hand to see how deep the scratch is.
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 Posted 04/19/2006  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jordan--

I can't tell if we're looking at these Morgans through plastic or not. If they're under plastic, it's really knocking down the grades because it's hard to tell what is on the plastic and what is on the coin. If they're not under plastic, several have really been beat up. Also, speaking only for myself, I'd just as soon look at each coin in separate threads rather than as a group; that way, each coin can be discussed on its own merits and it saves a lot of scrolling back and forth. Still, you've got a very nice diverse collection here.

Here's my estimations based on the images, in order top to bottom:

1878 - Looks cleaned/polished, but if not, then MS-60.
1878S - MS-60/61.
1878 - MS-60/61.
1898 - Cleaned/polished.
1896 - Cleaned.
1890 - AU-55, damaged?
1889 - MS-61/62
1887 - AU-58, cleaned?
1884O - MS-62
1903 - AU-58 or MS-60.
1888O - MS-61/62.

This is always fun! Feel free to post more Morgans!

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 Posted 04/20/2006  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting, Fred. I didn't see cleaning on all of the coins that you did. I'm curious to see what others say. Our grade opinions were very different this time.
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 Posted 04/20/2006  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see some heavy abrasion marks on the 1898. The 1896 looks like its been cleaned too, IMO.
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 Posted 04/20/2006  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The glow on some of the coins does look like someone took a pencil eraser, (gum) to polish the coins a little bit up, a harmless way for circulated silver coins.

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 Posted 04/20/2006  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
(But still I would like to swap some dutch silver for some of those dollars!!)

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 Posted 04/20/2006  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of them do have a gold tone or tint to them (which is probably what you are referring to, such as the 88 with the rainbow reverse). I was told it could possibly be due to smoke.
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 Posted 04/20/2006  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Leaving a coin (with or without the holder) in direct sunlight gives the same result after a few days JD.

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quote:
Originally posted by Susanlynn9

Very interesting, Fred. I didn't see cleaning on all of the coins that you did. I'm curious to see what others say. Our grade opinions were very different this time.



Not really all that different, Susan. Both of us kept our opinions on the lower end of the MS scale or within AU. If it had been NNC, SGS, NTC, or any of the last-rate basement grading companies, they all would have been MS-66s or above.

Also, I graded them very, very fast without looking very closely. I was studying for an AZ State certification exam (water system operator), so I was a little rushed for time during a study break.

I'd still need to know if we were looking at these coins through plastic. If so, it would make all the difference in the world.

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They all look raw to me.
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ok I am no good at grading so this is just practice to me. I do however have a bunch of graded morgans to look at for comparison


1878 7/8-Looks like it was cleaned with a rock maybe AU-50 net grade

1878-s -looks like someone sttod back and threw the rock at this one AU-58 net grade
Reverse:- Looks O.K. with a wild looking die crack going from the leaf through the wreath all the way to the rim

1878 7TF- Cleaned MS-60

1898 Same rock cleaned it as the 78 7/8 TF AU-50

1896-AU58 Cleaned a long time ago

1890- MS-60 looks like it has wear in the hair above the ear

1889- Gonna say MS-62 it is one of the best ones of the bunch

1887- Rock to clean AU-50

1884-O- MS-61

1903- AU-58

1888-O MS-62 I think this is the best coin of the bunch
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quote:
Originally posted by Susanlynn9

They all look raw to me.



I was thinking they might be in 2x2 flips or cardboard holders which might have friction scratches.
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I could be wrong, but I didn't see any sign that they were in holders of any kind in the pics above.
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looks raw to me also, looks like he has them laying on a flat surface without any kind of holders around the coins by the pictures
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 Posted 04/21/2006  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, these coins were raw.
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