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Edited by Joeyuk
04/08/2006 10:55 am
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I think you may be right about the mint mark. Most CC's that I've seen have the mint mark off center from the wreath, whereas yours is centered perfectly. Also, it looks like there are some marks to the surrounding metal. Can't wait to see what you get back.
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Joey, it looks OK to me, authenticity-wise at least what I can see from the images. Most counterfeit Morgans are castings and the impressions of the fine sand used to create the molds would appear under magnification as a rougher surface, especially in the fields. Variety attribution-wise, it appears to be a capped CC, but I'm weak on varieties (I have the "clear" CC variety) so will leave it to the variety collectors in the group.
Of more concern is its possible cleaning (whizzing actually) as may be indicated on the close-up of the CC where there's what seems to be hairlines. If it's in a plastic holder of some sort, these may be on the plastic rather than the coin. I hope it's on the holder.
Presuming it's a problem-free Morgan, this is a nice 79CC which could grade VF-25 to VF-30. If you sent it to PCGS, however, it could come back as F-15 to VF-20 since recently they have been tightening their standards on Morgans.
Please let us know how it comes back.
Fred
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
I think you may be right about the mint mark. Most CC's that I've seen have the mint mark off center from the wreath, whereas yours is centered perfectly. Also, it looks like there are some marks to the surrounding metal. Can't wait to see what you get back.
We crossed posts, Susan and I mis-read the emphasis on the added mintmark rather than the counterfeit aspect. You might be right. The "CC" looks like it might have been lifted off an 1878CC since it has the closed loop of the 78CC and it's too centered. One other possibility: the date might be altered from 78 to 79. It's easier to tool the "8" into a "9" than to swap out CCs although changing it from parallel to straight arrow feathers would be tough to do. And the 78CC has a centered mint mark. In either instance, presuming it's an altered Morgan and done relatively recently, someone went to a lot of trouble to make a $100 into a $200 coin. Edited by Morgan Fred
04/08/2006 12:49 pm
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This coin has crossed Mr. Van Allen's desk and he wrote his suspisions in a letter. The good part of the letter was about 6 or 8 of the Morgans sent were listed as discovery pieces on the VAM Update page. That is one reason Isent it in for authentication to yes PCGS. Disguised in a batch of 1878-CC thru 1885-CC Morgans. This was the dog of the batch. About 20 others went in as well as a '93-O. Also a couple VAMS to get attributed. This link takes a long time to load but is worth it. http://68.209.172.223/vamupdate/index.htmEdited by Joeyuk
04/08/2006 1:32 pm
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Great site and well worth the wait.  |
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Great site and well worth the wait.
Ditto Susan's comment! An absolutely wonderful resource albeit huge. My Firefox crashed after downloading about 35 mb, but I'll download it again and Save it. Thanks, Joey! Good luck with PCGS. I hope they treat you better than they treated me (see below threads 1890CC Morgan and 1891CC Morgan). I put the 90CC under 70X lens and still couldn't find any signs of "harsh cleaning"; just clear fields and devices with bag marks.  Please let us know how well they deal with you. Fred |
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And those are the updates. Not the complete list. A brief explanation here is as good as any. I was left a Dansco album of Morgans. Some very nice. I purchased the VAM book and was just too overwhelmed. It is not as cut and dried as looking for variety cents from uncirculated rolls like I'm used to. So I sent the 55 or so Morgans to a expert to be attributed. Him not being able to attribute some sent those to Mr. Van Allen who recognized those as new VAM's and questioned authenticity of the '79-CC. Now I may or may not hold onto the Morgans but in a top tier slab they are more liquid if I do decide to sell and I'll have a better idea of value as I can not grade these and I will at least be able to compare similarly graded coins with auction results. In the meantime I am learning alot and am enjoying an area of numismatis I found myself thrust into. Joe |
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That Ashemore Rare Coins that runs that site is a coin dealer in Greensboro NC not to far from where I live, it is a huge place and they have alot of great coins there.
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Originally posted by Joeyuk
And those are the updates. Not the complete list.
A brief explanation here is as good as any. I was left a Dansco album of Morgans. Some very nice. I purchased the VAM book and was just too overwhelmed. It is not as cut and dried as looking for variety cents from uncirculated rolls like I'm used to. So I sent the 55 or so Morgans to a expert to be attributed. Him not being able to attribute some sent those to Mr. Van Allen who recognized those as new VAM's and questioned authenticity of the '79-CC. Now I may or may not hold onto the Morgans but in a top tier slab they are more liquid if I do decide to sell and I'll have a better idea of value as I can not grade these and I will at least be able to compare similarly graded coins with auction results.
In the meantime I am learning alot and am enjoying an area of numismatis I found myself thrust into.
Joe
I clicked Save Page while the site was still downloading after 1/2 hour since I grew impatient. That cancelled the main frame, but the thumbnails continued to download until completed: exactly 1700 of them for a total of 6.7 mb (this size would normally take only a few seconds to download, so the full photos must have been downloading as linked images at the same time). That's a LOT of VAMs. I will be curious about how many of these will be attributed by PCGS (I presume you asked for variety attribution). PCGS will attribute some 325 VAMs of the 3000 (now 4700?) known VAMs. Presuming they are returned in slabs, they will be very liquidable no matter what the grade or attribution. |
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This first batch of coins were mostly the higher dollar value coins and of those only 4 were on the pcgs list. They are all 1878-P Morgans. They are VAM's 17,33,38,and 41. Yes I paid the $15 each for the designation on the holder and understand my submission will be delayed 3 days. |
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PCGS did grade the 1879-CC VF30. I am kinda suprised. I was expecting a bodybag on that one. Here are the other Carson City grades. I included my old scans of the '85-CC. 1 10069804 1878-CC S$1 USA MS62 2 10069805 1879-CC S$1 USA VF30 3 10069806 1880-CC S$1 USA XF45 4 10069807 1881-CC S$1 USA MS63 5 10069808 1882-CC S$1 USA MS62 6 10069809 1883-CC S$1 USA MS63 7 10069810 1884-CC S$1 USA MS64 8 10069811 1885-CC S$1 USA Cleaning Date Received: 03/31/2006 Date Shipped: No Date Specified   Download Attachment:  1885CCobv.jpg37.53 KB Download Attachment: 1885CCrev.jpg39.39 KB Edited by Joeyuk
04/19/2006 5:25 pm
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You made out well, Joey. Congratulations! Nice Morgan CC set. Are you gonna go after the rest of the CCs?
Fred
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I think I'll hold onto everything for now. I'm waiting on grades for two other Morgan submissions. I also have 3 autographed baseballs in at PSA/DNA (2-Mickey Mantle & 1 Joe Dimaggio) So thats like $650 in submissions for last month. I have about 25 or so more Morgans to send in as well as 65 other coins so I can't afford to send in too much per month. Perhaps I'll sell the baseballs when they come back and send everything in and look at some new morgans.
By the way Fred you were right on the mark at VF30 for the '79. Not sure if I could sell the '79 as I do not know if PCGS got it right or not.
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