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Need Help With ID For 1898 Asian Dollar/Mystery Asian Coin

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 Posted 07/09/2009  8:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pixel11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi -

I've done my best to ID the 1898 Dollar coin and this other coin of Asian origin but have come up empty. I'm hoping someone smarter than me can ID them.

Thanks!



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 Posted 07/09/2009  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first coin looks like a British Trade dollar:

http://www.vcoins.com/world/worldmo...090124104300

Beware, they are often counterfeited. I'm not sure about the second coin.
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Thanks! Trade dollar is the exact coin. Since this is from an old family collection I have no way of knowing whether or not it is authentic, but I do notice two 'strikes' or marks on the side with the date. I don't know much about this but aren't these typically used as indicators of authenticity by banks, etc.?
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The second one might be a commemorative. It says the first year of the Republic of China, or 1911. What's on the other side?

ahh... I see it now. It's a Sichuan silver dollar... looks real enough since I haven't seen any counterfeits of this exact type yet.
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So would that make it a 1911 Sichuan silver dollar or is the 1911 simply a reference to the beginning of the Republic?
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It's both. It was minted in 1911, but the date on the side with the spiffy looking character says "Republic of China Original Year," which means 1911. Sichuan is where it was minted (the 4 characters say Sichuan silver coin) and the two characters under it says one dollar/yuan.
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Excellent. Thank you both so much for your help.
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...but I do notice two 'strikes' or marks on the side with the date. I don't know much about this but aren't these typically used as indicators of authenticity by banks, etc.?

Those are called "chop marks", and on genuine coins they were typically placed there by merchants, mainly in China, as their personal guarantee that they thought the coin was good.

The people that make fake coins also sometimes put chopmarks on them, to make them look more realistic, so the presence of chopmarks is not a reliable indicator of genuineness these days.

I agree, they both look genuine enough from the pics. If you want to test their genuineness yourself, there are two simple things you can do. First, is to see if a magnet sticks to it. A genuine coin is made of silver, and will not stick. Some of the commonest types of fakes are made of steel, and will stick.

If it passes the magnet test, try weighing it. You'll need a scale that weighs in grams, to at least two decimal places. The Trade dollar should weigh 26.97 grams, the Sichuan dollar should weigh 25.6 grams. An incorrect weight (either much too low or much too high) means it's a fake. If it passes both the magnet and weight tests, then there's a good chance these are genuine. Neither of them are particularly scarce types.

Sorry if we sound paranoid about these, but the Chinese have been making fake dollars, of varying quality, ever since dollars first arrived in that country. Extra vigilance is required with this series.
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I agree that the Trade dollar looks pretty real. I suspect that if the coin has been in your family collection for decades (especially if since the 1950s) there is a better chance that it is real. But, as Sap very astutely pointed out, these have been counterfeited ever since they were first introduced to China. So be careful if you decide to collect this wonderful series.
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