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Greetings all. Some advice please. I discovered this coin in a collection a couple of years ago. It was coated in wax, probably bees wax. Not dipped, kind of like it had been coated by rubbing a candle all over. Anyways, I removed the wax with warm tap water and this very nice coin emerged. It does not appear to be bronze, it's way too yellowish. There is a bit of cracking and pitting going on which will not happen to bronze and I have not seen on my other copper coins. Plus pitting is an issue for brass. So how does one tell for certain what metal they have? Drinks for the house if it's brass. My pictures are too large to post so if anyone feels that they are solid in this area please let me know and I'll email some to you. Thanks much!!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think you posted your pic on the wrong post.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1415 Posts |
 to CCF wefindem was correct in that you accidentally posted your pic to the wrong post. I would suggest that you post both sides of the coin. The maximum allowed to be uploaded to this site is 100 K. If your pics are too large, just lower the resolution and that will make your file smaller. Or you can post to a pic site and link to 'em. As for your coin, it is copper. Interesting that it was encased in wax.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 i would also like to see a full picture
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Judging from the color of the coin in your photo, I would say that the coin is not brass. Brass cents have a very yellow look to them (sometimes covered by darker toning), instead of the reddish look of a bronze mint state coin or brownish look of a bronze circulated coin. The coin below has been certified by PCGS as a brass cent.  If you collect 1859 cents, you will often run into circulated 1859 cents that look yellow. The vast majority of them are a result of chemical cleaning that altered the color of the metal. Further complicating the problem is that you really cannot tell the diffence between bronze and brass cents by weight or specific gravity. The properties of 95/4/1 bronze and say 90/10 brass are so close that they overlapped under the loose manufacturing tolerances of the day Brass cents are quite rare. Only about 25 brass 1859 cents have been certified by the major grading services.
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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Pillar of the Community
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Here are dimensions etc:
cooper= Weight 4.54 gr diameter = 25.4 mm brass = weight 4.29 gr diameter = 25.75 mm
value difference= HUGE !!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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here is an interesting tid bid about this coin. I think, without having a high resolution pix, that it is the DP2 type
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm not sure where those numbers come from. The brass cents I have seen are the same diameter (25.4 mm) and about the same weight (4.54 grams) as the bronze cents, give or take on the weight.
As I alluded to above, the manufacturing tolerances were pretty loose on minor coins in 1859. I have found high grade 1858 and 1859 cents to range from about 4.4 to 4.7 grams.
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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Pillar of the Community
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i do have a brass one somewhere. I was unaware of the weight difference until now so maybe I will weigh it and see what comes from there.
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Pillar of the Community
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If you are talking about the coin I posted above, it is not a DP#2. It was struck with a regular narrow 9 die.
http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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is it true that the copper tends to tone in a more brownish color whereas the brass turns a more black color? I'm not sure where I heard that but since the subject is up why not ask?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Malissa, if you have a Brass one, you have a jewel! over 4K in g4 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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when I find it I will post pictures of it. There is so much stuff out and about in my house right now that its crazy... I don know that I love the 1859 cent because of all the varieties, so I do check the junk bins of each coin store and pick them out even in bad shape. and I buy each one they have in higher grades as well and then just stock pile them. Hopefully I will be able to find the right one and get some pics taken soon. I can say it was more of a vf-ef grade. :) How I knew it was different is I took all my 1859's out one day and laid them out in rows on my desk and was going to check the dates for type. and just that one stuck out like a sore thumb, in the areas it had tones it was a darker tone color than all my others and the areas that were still clear of toning were not the right color for copper. more of an ugly yellowish color. but I could tell it hadn't been cleaned because it no cleaning marks and it had the mint shine still intact mostly in that area. geez I want to know what I did with that now. 
Edited by malissadawn 07/31/2009 5:44 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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VF 15K plus......... I bet you gonna look REAL HARD! Good Luck!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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i know I saved it this time because I did have a 1969 lg date dime that I spent by accident so now I am almost neurotic about hiding the good ones.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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i went to make sure you didnt mail it to me 
Edited by yotie 07/31/2009 6:32 pm
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