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1909 Half Eagle-D Or O?

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 Posted 08/01/2009  1:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Terror Of Zanarkand to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Any input would be greatly appreciated. You can read the full story of this coin in the TPG forum.

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New Orleans, I think. The vertical upright of the Denver mint mark is pretty obvious on these; the left side of the mint mark on yours is ambiguous enough for me to think it's an "O."

As such, based on the reverse only I'd grade it around $5000.
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 Posted 08/01/2009  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a D to me. An O is wishful thinking. It's still a great looking coin!
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 Posted 08/01/2009  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
pretty hard to tell. Under magnification there appears to be the upright of the D, but without a close up of the mint area, It's hard to tell.
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I snagged a couple of relevant images from Heritage, and shrunk them to the size of the pic here. I then blew them all up 300%, and cropped the same area of each in an attempt to recreate the same pixelization of the original pic, when blown up. Here's the result:

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With the understanding that tooling to change the mint mark remains a possibility (heaven knows there's enough incentive), my opinion stands.
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 Posted 08/01/2009  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Dave it looks like an O.
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 Posted 08/02/2009  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Terror Of Zanarkand to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the input guys! One more question for the group. Since ANACS has already certified it as a D, which I'm seriously beginning to doubt in light of opinions of those on the forum and other collectors I know, should I try another TPG? And if so, which one? I was thinking about giving DGS a try, or maybe NGC or PCGS. My local dealer who is also a dear friend, has direct submission to both. I've never been a fan of PCGS, but in light of my recent experience with ANACS on this, I'd definitely be willing to give them a shot if they're good at Indian $5s.
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I'd try and cross it over. This is an interesting dilemma, do keep us posted. I'd be really curious about this, by the way what grade was assigned?

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How interesting. I had a similar quandry several years ago, though my example was more worn than yours. Anyways, I decided that it was a D( It was actually purchased as a 1909 P), but I'm not entirely sure either. Here is a link to the thread in cointalk that disussed it, and there is other relative information regarding these coins:
http://www.cointalk.com/forum/t36031-2/

I thought I had a thread here too, but I couldn't find it.
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I believe that there is enough questionality to the Mintmark to crack it out and submit it to another TPG! However, keep the ANACS holder in case you have to re-submit it to them for re-holdering. Send it to PCGS and if it comes back in a bodybag as altered or no decision, then send it back to ANACS to be re-holdered. This is probably the safest way to get it either certified and graded as an "O" Minmarked 1909 Half Eagle or to get it re-holdered as it was, as a genuine "D" Mintmarked 1909 Half Eagle!


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I have to admit a little curiosity as to why this discussion is going so deep - there's nothing at question here that a 10x loupe won't answer immediately.
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SuperDave, perhaps it is the thrill of the hunt?
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the left side of the mint mark on yours is ambiguous enough for me to think it's an "O."

As such, based on the reverse only I'd grade it around $5000.



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With the understanding that tooling to change the mint mark remains a possibility (heaven knows there's enough incentive), my opinion stands.



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I have to admit a little curiosity as to why this discussion is going so deep - there's nothing at question here that a 10x loupe won't answer immediately.


Dave,

Based on your first two quoted statements given the bracketed statement "(heaven knows there's enough incentive)", I was little confused as to really which way you were leaning! I am sorry but it just seemed in the first, that you were saying genuine and the second, you were hedging on the that but still saying that you stood by your original statement. Maybe I am reading too much into them!


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If it would be that "cut and dry" using a 10X loupe, Why are we talking about breaking it out of an ANACS slab and resubmitting? I'm pretty sure ANACS has a 10X loupe.
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I was little confused as to really which way you were leaning!


What I see in the pic looks to me like a New Orleans mint mark. I wouldn't decide based on that one pic, but if you held a gun to my head I'd call it an "O." Trouble is, I don't think I'd attribute this one even from pics I took myself.

If it's a New Orleans coin, it is far too valuable to be making these decisions based on small pics posted on ebay. However, the original poster can settle the issue for good with 5 minutes and a $10 loupe, and I'm just feeling a little frustration that we've spent two threads discussing a question so easily answered.
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Sorry about all the trouble, I did give it a look with a 10X loupe and I saw an O. So I will do what you all suggest once I got it back from ANACS, I'll crack it out and send it to another TPG and get their thoughts. I'll keep you all posted on how it turns out! Thanks again for all the help! I'll move on from this issue now.
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