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I was just want to know how a coin can have a really good strike on one side of a coin and centered and the other side a blank and how can I tell if this coin is real I don't have a picture to show you, but any help would be great. Thanks
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Pillar of the Community
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that can't happen on a U.S. coin.
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what about copenhagen minted coins from denmark  I just read about two planchet's being feed into a coining machine but that can't happen to a U.S. coin what about the Copenhagen mint what kind of a machine do they use in the 20's to the early 40's as well as the london mint in the earlly 40's
Edited by norseman012 08/06/2009 5:28 pm
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That is an interesting topic. I say that since I've heard so many times that it is not possible but have seen many one sided coins at coin shows for sale as error coins. And some have been slabbed but of course that may well be one of those many fly by night TPGS places. I wonder if anyone REALLY, knows.
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Yes Carl the numismatic minds want to know. Carl brought up a very interesting point is there any TPG company that have graded such coins. I for one would like to know. Any One?
Edited by norseman012 08/06/2009 7:55 pm
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A coin struck from only one die cannot, logically exist.
I hate to go all zen on you, but imagine the sound of one hand clapping. Logically, you can't, because a clap is defined as the result of two hands hitting together.
Likewise, a coin is the result of two dies hitting together with a blank piece of metal in between them. Theoretically, something that resembles a one-sided coin could be struck by a mint, but it would have to be made by inserting a specially prepared "blank" die on the other side.
So, where do all these "one-sided coins" come from? Several possibilities come to mind.
A machine job - someone ground or filed off the other side. This might be done for all sorts of reasons... perhaps someone was making a "love token" and never got around to doing the engraving. Perhaps it was being turned into a two-headed coin or other "trick coin". a similar effect can also be created "accidentally" by a coin getting stuck in a machine of some kind. Such a coin will weigh slightly less than a "normal" coin of the same type.
Split planchet - small bubbles of gas sometimes get trapped inside the piece of metal the coin blanks are made from. This creates a weak spot there, and the finished coin, after it is struck, can split apart at the weak spot. While such an occurrence can be a legitimate mint error, it's all to easy to create your own "artificial" split planchet simply by taking an intact coin with an (invisible) bubble inside it and hitting it hard on the edge (by, say, dropping it from a height). Such a coin will weigh significantly less than a "normal" coin, and the back side will look rough and uneven, like raw unfinished metal, rather than be completely smooth and flat.
Uniface pattern or die trial - this is pretty much what I was describing earlier, where a specially made blank die is inserted into the press and a coin struck with just one working die. This is usually done to test a brand new design before coinage production actually begins. Such items are considered "experimental", like pattern coins, and therefore extremely unusual; they almost never leave the mint. The "blank" die is often not completely blank; Australian examples have the word "model" in the centre. Some mints make them out of a different metal (such as lead) to keep them distinctive from subsequent normal coinage. Such a coin might weigh exactly the same as a normal coin, or it might weigh much less - or much more, depending on whether the metal used was the same.
Electrotype or cast copy - "museum replicas" of rare and valuable coins are often made only one-sided, since only one side is needed to be shown in a display case; sometimes museums even sell such copies to the public, or make them available to interested parties on request (I believe the British Museum used to do this). The "blank side" of such a copy will often look raw or unfinished, and may have details of the copy (such as a collection reference number) stamped into it.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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WOW Thank you Sap for taking so much time to explain this all to me. one question I have if you would please Can you tell me were I can find more info on this subject as to the british mint doing trail one sided coins and second I'm just wondering what word was censored LOL I guess a miss spelled word. Thanks again  for your time.
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Pillar of the Community
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Sap, so apparently it is impossible for two planchets to be stacked on top of each other between the dies. But what exactly makes it impossible?
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It seems to me that two planchets getting neatly "stacked on top of each other" (an improbable event indeed in a modern mechanized mint) would smash together between the dies and fuse, creating a single "coin" twice the weight of a normal one. Such a coin might subsequently re-separate, creating two "coins" superficially similar to a split planchet except their weights would be more or less correct for that type. Or they might stay fused together. Either way, I suspect that the collar would be unable to cope with twice the amount of material being compressed inside it than it was designed to cope with; the excess metal would probably squirt out between the dies and collar, creating either a capped die or a tangled mess.
Whatever the result, I strongly doubt it would resemble a "one-sided coin" in the usual sense of that word.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Quote: ...were I can find more info on this subject as to the british mint doing trail one sided coins... You can find them listed under "trial strikes" at the back of the Krause listings for each country. My copy of Krause lists under "Great Britain" a series dated 1926 with the other side blank except for the word "MODEL", and a second series dated 1963 which are truly blank on the other side, or uniface. Under Australia, there are some Australian uniface trial strikes shown; some uniface obverses from the 1920's and some uniface reverses from 1937. If the coin design was never ultimately adopted for use, you might also find uniface die trials listed amongst the "patterns". All known genuine 1909 Australian florin patterns are uniface. Quote: I'm just wondering what word was censored LOL I guess a miss spelled word. What censoring? If there was any, it got moderated away before I refreshed the page. If you mean where it says "blank", that's what I meant, "blank", as in empty, clean, devoid of any detail.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Thanks, Sap, I was trying to imagine what would happen in such an occurrence, and it does makes sense that it would not be so pretty.
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Hi steve got a bag of donuts LOL
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