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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hi everyone, I have posted a few of these coins over time but I think I am starting to notice some good differential points for identifying the types. I am posting some images of coins once again to see people's opinions. Now I realize due to wear they look slightly different but I am of the opinion that BOTH are the small nines variety. Here is why I think so. If you notice in the photos from charlton. On the small nines variety, the hook on the first nine comes up and then goes flat and the hook on the second nine is round. In the photos of the large nine, the hook on the first nine is round and the hook on the second nine has a slight pointedness to the tip. Am I making sense? lol Can I get some opinions please? PHOTOS FROM CHARLTON:  my coin #1  my coin #2  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hi Malissadawn. An interesting debate has been waging for some time about this coin/coins. My opinion is thus......(just my opinion) The Large 9's and small 9's are the same.....the differance being created with worn dies only. The variety of this date is the "Hooked 9's". I realize that this contradicts both ICCS and Charleton's, however, they look at things with eyes wide shut so to speak :-) I am lead to believe a "New price list" as well as a "New Publication" is in the works for the entire Newfoundland series. Just my thoughts :-)
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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that's an interesting theory coinsrfun. I think it would be a more noticeable difference if there were both types in a higher grade right next to each other. But since that isn't always possible it seems that we are all short on ways to attribute unless we send for grading.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Sending it to grading (at ICCS) will not settle the issue. Again In My Opinion, ICCS will attempt to differentiate with no logical explanation available. Markers so to speak. Charletons and ICCS wag each other. :-) Here is a challenge for you Malissadawn. Email Louis at CCCS, ask him what he says? May be interesting! :-)
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Valued Member
Canada
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IMO the first #1 coin is S99 the #2 is L99 Thanks to share them very interesting.
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Australia
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I know absolutely nothing about this coin, so am only offering what I see. Both the coin from the catalogue listed as Large 9 and the coin from the photograph listed as #2 has the second 9 slightly out of alignment with the other numbers. I would say they are the same size numbers, it has just moved north a little. The small 9 has all the numbers in perfect line, as well as the slight flat spot. Just my 20c.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree with coinsrfun,there are no small or large 99 varieties,only hooked 99 and regular 99 varieties
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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there are no small or large 99 varieties,only hooked 99 and regular 99 varieties as of yet... lots more to come, including surprises !! later when the waether is not so good anymore..  when one is told by " the powers of Canadian publishing and grading" to look at very obvious differences as worn out dies, one is entitled to a different opinion... right?  Especially when the "die wear" is very crisp and without any tolerance...and the difference is very, very obvious.  One just starts to question their answers.... |
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United States
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Ok, now I am *completely* lost. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Part of the problem with figuring it out is the amount of wear on both coins (and it looks like Charlton's has a lot of wear as well). The differences get harder to spot that way. And Charest is no help - he has the hooked 9's in the small 9's picture. The main visual difference that I can tell is in the shape and height of the last 9's tail (large 9 appears thinner), and a slight difference in the direction of the last 9's tail end. The last 9 also appears just a tad shorter. Latman.. I think Malissa's pic of the small 9's or the actual one in the book she took a picture of is slightly crooked, so that might throw us off a little. So.. here's an overlay example using Charlton's pictures on a non-worn coin: overlaid with Large 9:  overlaid with Small 9:  And Malissa's 2nd 1899: overlaid with Large 9:  overlaid with Small 9:  I'll see if I can do the first one before I fall asleep.. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coin 1 Overlaid with Large:  Overlaid with Small:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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just for completeness, here is the picture from the Charest book. That computer currently does not have connectivity so I had to take a picture of the screen.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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After giving the Charlton photos (S99) and (L99) a good, hard stare, I honestly cannot spot the defining criteria between the two varieties Since no detailed explanation is given between the two, whether this is due to digit shape or comparative size, it's easy to fill in the blanks here. But I don't see a dramatic difference between the L99 and S99, other than position af the punching--but that cannot be it? When differences are so minute, it's easy to cross you eyes and see something that might not be there. --Just saying.  Edited by DVCollector
10/11/2009 5:28 pm
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