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1913 $2½ Indian Gold. Ntc MS-63

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Hi every one!

I'm really new to the coin business, however, I'm wondering if anyone would know where can I find market prices on the Internet for US coins. I'm trying to find out how much I can sell a 1913 $2/12 Indian gold, graded by NTC MS63. whats the value of this coin? and, who are the most reliable TPG I can trust for buying?
Thanks again and nice to meet!
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 Posted 08/09/2009  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmm... NTC? I've never heard. I think the most conservative gold grader is ANACS.
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 Posted 08/09/2009  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollectingkid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is also ngc and pcgs
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NTC is notorious for over grading coins and have even been known to encapsulate some counterfeit coins. As far as which TPG to look for when buying coins I would always stick with the top 3 atleast until you get good at grading and authenticating yourself (the top 3 is PCGS, NGC and ANACS)
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 Posted 08/09/2009  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to Coin Community.

An NTC slab which says MS63 could contain a coin which might actually grade anything from EF40 on up, if it grades at all - they're a notorious overgrader. It's generally accepted that the only TPG's whose opinions are trustworthy are PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG. So, it's difficult to estimate the value of your coin - as a true MS63, its' value exceeds $800 but I'm unwilling to believe the grade in an NTC slab.

Would it be possible for you to post pictures of this coin?
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 Posted 08/09/2009  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamtam1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did anybody hear about NNC, are they indeed inaccurate in their grading? and what about market prices for gold coin< does anybody know where I can look these things up?
many thanks!
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Thank you SuperDave, I'm trying to insert the image into the message, will see if il be able to. you guys are fantastic!
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I don't know, something just went funny here. Thanks Superdave for the info. Very helpfull! you guys are fantastic.. let me see if I can work this one out and post a picture of this 1913 coin, lets see. By the way PCGS have a table with all the prices in their website, is this something to rely on when buying a coin?
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i think I got it right this time. all experts please view!

1913-$2½-Indian-Gold.-Ntc-MS-63
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PCGS' price list is considered rather optimistic; real-world prices trend lower in most cases. They themselves state that the prices listed are for PCGS-slabbed coins only.

Your best bet for price determinations, in my opinion, are real-world prices of actual coin sales. Research ebay results, and obtain a free membership at Heritage Auctions (ha.com) to access their huge database of coin auction results and very high-resolution pictures. Another place I check regularly is Collector's Corner (http://www.collectorscorner.com/ ), because of the large volume and variety of coins being offered there. It being a consortium of dealers, prices tend to be a little high but it's still an excellent indication of relative value.
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You posted the pics while I was typing.

The photos are clear, but small, so I'm not 100% confident in my estimation here. However, I see what looks like circulation wear on the feathers of the headdress (especially the largest, lower one) and headband, and possibly the same on the eagle's shoulder, which is the first place wear shows on the reverse. If you forced me to choose, based on these pics I'd call it AU55.
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 Posted 08/09/2009  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamtam1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So SuperDave, what do you think, does it realy look like MS63?
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 Posted 08/09/2009  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamtam1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
we are posting in major delays, got your answer, and also looked up the website you recommended. Thanks a ton!
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 Posted 08/09/2009  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamtam1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about this NNC I asked before, are they reliable enough for buying?
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Well, if I'd buy any graded gold, I'd only buy NGC, PCGS, ANACS. Spend a few dollars more, but at least you can sleep well at night after that.
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NNC is worse that NTC, atleast NTC is a third party grader where NNC is a self slabber where a dealer is just putting his inventory in slabs and giving them an outrageous inflated grade in the hopes he will get more for the coin than its actually worth. In other words stay away from NNC at all costs unless you know how to grade yourself and know how to spot fakes
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