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See What This 1921-D Will Get

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here is a 1921-D, just figured I would see what kind of stinky grade this thing would get

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And Scans of the same coin


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Now before I give my opinion, please don't roll your eyes. Where I make mistakes or miss something, please point it out to me. That said, nice coin.

Looks like an excellent strike - great curl and vegetation detail on obverse and breast feathers on reverse. Also looks white and lustrous, and looks like it has good mirror(s), at least on the reverse.

The reverse is better than the obverse. Prescinding from the scuffing on the obverse seen especially on the lower pix, and a possible hit near just under the E in "E PLURIBUS etc.", there appear to be very few proper contact marks if any (if the pictures are to be believed).

Assuming the lack of apparent contact marks is accurate, I'd say MS64. Or better: I have an NGC graded MS65 silver dollar that has scuffing on the obverse - I would have guessed it was a 64 and I was, obviously, wrong. So, considering the apparent deep mirror eye appeal, it may have claims to a higher grade.
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hmm figured I would have had a million answers by now, maybe I need to call em out....Morgan,morgan,morgan heres a morgan to grade!!!
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dern it aint that bad is it?
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Hi Bryan

I wasn't going to reply until after Fred, but it appears that he is off for the weekend ?

So anyway , here how I see the coin, It is not above average in strike for the D mint, it is however very pleasing to the eye, with mostly frosted fields and likewise frosted details,,

I dont see any major hits, but a couple of small ones with a little rub present on the high points,

My opinon is MS-64 probly a 65 but I have been so apt to overgrade Morgans , that I'm getting a little gun shy about pulling the trigger on 65 and above.

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I'll call it an upper-end 64. It's very clean, but only an average strike. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to see it slab at 65.
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Thank you very much for the replies, you arent goin to beleive this so I will show you a picture then tell the rest of the story

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Now you all know I am horrible at grading coins and I usually stay away from anything raw and only buy stuff graded by the top 3 for that reason, but I saw this one and decided I would take a chance with my own grading. I bidded on this thing on ebay and got iy for AU-58 price. I guess everyone can get it right one time or another. I guess this falls into the "buy the coin not the slab" catagory. I figured it was about MS-61 or up but wasnt really sure by the pictures they had posted (we all know how pictures can be) but figured at AU-58 prices I couldn't go to wrong unless my skills are alot worse than even I thought
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Wow, I took a guess before I read anyone else's post and said MS64. I just got lucky. I guess looking and practice grading hundreds of coins over the last month has paid off some.
Anyway, nice coin!
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heck I think I am more dumbfounded about CCGS getting even close to grading a coin correctly then anything else
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryan1315

heck I think I am more dumbfounded about CCGS getting even close to grading a coin correctly then anything else



Wierd. I called this a MS64 because of the clean surfaces, etc. in my post above. I also said I thought it was a very good strike. Not a Morgan collector, my basis is my younger brother's almost complete set of AU/MS Morgans.

Others have disagreed about the strike and I want you to tell me why it's an average or below average strike, and where to look so I can be more accurate. Many of the coins I've seen have flatness in the curls around the ear - this coin's curl definition, as seen with more contrast in the second set of pix seems strong to me. And the breast feathers on the reverse seem rounder and fuller than most I've seen, and on the second reverse pic, it seems that there is some respectable detail in the breast feathers.

We all came to the same conclusion, however, and that makes me feel better.
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Stephen420, one key for me with 1921's is the lower wreath leaves. Only the better strikes show any detail at all in them, and Denver is the worst offender in this regard. The obverse is actually a pretty decent strike for an MS 1921-D - I have a couple in PCGS/NGC MS64 slabs which show less hair detail.
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