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I have a couple of these from a while back. But from what I heard, if it had an "X" at all it was a restrike - talk about disinformation! I'll have to dig them out for another look.
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I have discovered another early MTT on ebay this time it is the Hafner #28. The last 2 were # 27. Can anyone spot the difference from the pictures? First the Hafner # 27 struck 1781 to 1788 at Gunzburg  Second the Hafner # 28 struck 1789 to 1792 at Gunzburg.  Hint: It is found on the Eagle side! |
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I see that eagles tails are different  |
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DagonX - Gee - three minutes. That didn't last long. You are correct the tails are different. On frozen date coins, European mints often used "Privy Marks" as a way of secretly dating a coin. In this case, the shape of the outer feather on the tail is the mechanism. The #27 was minted 1781 to 1788 and the 28 was minted 1789 to 1792.  There are minor "positional" differences is some of the lettering, but the tail is the intentional difference.
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Here is another current ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/1780-MARIA-THER...120451077293 This one is the Hafner #12 - one of the first of the Posthumous Vienna restrikes - minted from 1781 to 1785. This coin uses the Vienna Mint mark on the reverse UNDER the Eagle. The coat of arms also has the bird motif. It is an earlier version but not as rare as the seller believes. |
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Thanks for all the good info, swamperbob.. this one is definitely bookmarked. I tried to find where I saw that wrong info on the "X" but I can't locate it.. Anyway, I dug mine out..   |
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xshift- Nice MTTs! It is always interesting to see one that has done some circulating. So I take it from the design features of your coins that they were both minted in the mid-20th century?
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Thanks, Archraz  Quote:
So I take it from the design features of your coins that they were both minted in the mid-20th century? Definitely appears that way. From the "AVST" to the "has a dot before the X but none after", they hit every point as a 'restrike'. The 2nd one I've always suspected was a counterfeit, though.. I'm not sure why. Maybe the way the silver looks. It's very detailed and looks great, but there's just something ..off about it.  You see anything? |
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Thanks Swamperbob et al for the lessons here. The coinshop I frequent has a Thaler, and although I never knew much about them, I cant wait to go back
and look it over!
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I have had PC problems for a couple days, but got back on line tonight.
xshift - The worn coin at the top appears to be from one of three mints Birmingham - Rome or Brussell's - all share the double fine tail feathers under the lowest point of the tail and all three have the VERY stubby toe nail.
They are distinguished by edge details.
The proof dies shown below appear to be Austrian - longer toe nail and a single low feather.
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I will see if I can get a good picture of the edge of the first one.
When you mention "proof dies", what do you mean? Is the 2nd coin a proof?
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xshift What I meant by proof die - was that it looked like the common Austrian prof dies from the period after 1950. They were really mass produced and they are very common. Distinguishing features are few and usually they are proof issues. My belief is that as they wore out - they entered a second life as "circulating" or bullion dies. The wear of the edge letters is too significant for the coin to be considered a proof.
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Thanks, swamperbob. Did they ever use an alloy with less of a silver percentage for these? Maybe it's the 'proof' striking qualities, but it has never looked quite right to me.
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Only some of the unauthorized copies (African) and counterfeits vary in alloy. The London WWII and related issues may have different colors due to the alloy metal but silver content was the same.
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