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Triple Struck? How Many Strikes Do You See?

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 Posted 09/18/2009  10:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DAEM to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here is a scan of a coin's collar, a close-up of the denticles, and what looks to be multiple strikes.

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Take a few seconds, to look this image over, and tell me if you see evidence of multiple strikes in the collar.

If so, how many do you see?

Here is a smaller version of basically the same area of the above image... hopefully the better resolution will help.



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09/18/2009 11:21 pm
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 Posted 09/19/2009  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The magnified pic is clear, there's three on the right with slippage on the left. That's three strikes I see. Is this an eye contest?... I don't have my eyeglasses on.. but really, I go back for a second look, it's still three!
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 Posted 09/19/2009  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A larger area shot would be helpful. Since I see nothing on the star point or leg of 1 digit, this appears to be one strike with some serious Die Deterioration.
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 Posted 09/19/2009  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DAEM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately the limit on what I can upload to provide you with a larger area view will not allow me to post the whole image and piecing together a bunch of small images would be a pain...

Here are 2 photos of the coin... and the entire scan re-sized for upload... all of the obverse.

If you want I can email you the super hi-res scan of the entire coin...

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Does it look like this coin was struck with a seriously deteriorated die?
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09/19/2009 4:31 pm
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 Posted 09/19/2009  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the obverse die strikes the denticles and not the collar.
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 Posted 09/19/2009  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DAEM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
more scan images moving clockwise from the "M" in Unum


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Whats the deal with the edge and where the reeding starts?
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 Posted 09/20/2009  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DAEM I'm impressed by your magnified photo shots, the lighting and close up detail shown for the coin edge is superb. Even the surface texture stands out. May I inquire the camera brand or what equipment you used?
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 Posted 09/20/2009  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DAEM, What your seeing is die wear. The denticles seem to take the most abuse during the striking life of the die. Fast forward 20 years and you will see the same problem still existed. 1921.

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Now back 20 years. What I want you to notice here is the length of the denticles and the polishing lines.

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Your coin appears to be an early die state without any polishing yet to clean up the die yet. This is just a fact of life with the Morgan dollars.
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 Posted 09/20/2009  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WoW.. That is some close-up shot!

MorgansRmine - What camera brand/model or equipment are you using? Thanks!
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 Posted 09/20/2009  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem with those photos is they remind me of my last visit to my Dentist. Those look like my X-ray shots of my molars. They too appear doubled.
Nice photos but I agree with the die wear.
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 Posted 09/21/2009  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
... nice molars...

but more on a sober basis, I would agree, on second thought, yes - Die Deterioration, as a triple strike would probably affect other parts also and not only the "denticles"
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 Posted 09/21/2009  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nic, these were shot with a QX5, diffused lighting, coin at slight angle to further spread the lighting at 60x.
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 Posted 09/21/2009  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks MorgansRmine, copy QX5, sorry but am not familiar with that model of any type brand, will try and google it. Thanks again for the reply
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