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1958 Wheat Cent -- Die Cud?

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 Posted 09/21/2009  1:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JOE to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Wasin't sure of the proper name for this kind of error/variety. There is a raised bump on the left wheat stalk on the reverse (And slightly on the right stalk), I double checked that it was not gunk or anything on the coin.

I was wondering how much this type of variety/error might be worth, and what condition this coin might grade.

Thanks

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not a variety nor an error. it is normal. also not a Cud. a Cud is always on the rim of the coin. your coin is either a die crack or break. no premium for it
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Eventually the die continues to chip and a Retained Cud will appear. But this coin has a while before this happens.
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Mr. Cooper .. I am new to this site ... I hope it is ok to ask about that pic you posted ..

Is that the official name for that error... ' Retained Cud' ...

I have a 1955-S UNC that has that exact same error ... I have been calling it a die break.

Are you saying it has no value over a error free coin. I am just asking .. I do not have a lot of experience in error coins. I just somehow ended up with a couple.
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A Retained Cud is a form of a die break, once that piece of the die breaks off you will have a full Cud that will manifest as a raised blob of metal. A Retained Cud has to start and end on the rim whereas a regular die break or chip can be anywhere on the interior of the coin. Die chips are considered to be a normal part of the minting process but a large die break or a Cud is a sign of die failure and would be considered an error. Basic small die chips do not add any value but a large interior die break or a cud/retained Cud will have added value as an error.
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Thank you for the information biokemist6. So what would the one in coop's picture be considered, small .. big .. major?
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The one coop pictured is a nice sized Retained Cud, I would probably call it a medium size. Two coins I have seen that have Retained Cuds somewhat frequently are Three Cent Nickels and Shield nickels.
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If the coin was BU it would be worth more, but circulated ones tend to be worth about 10% of a BU coin. The reason it is called a Retained Cud is that the area of the coin that broke, is not changing the devises edges. Not how the upper and side area of the image is now out of place. It that wasn't there if would be just a die break.
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