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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What do you think? It's a clear case to me. Weather the item is a good deal or not, I won't support eBayers who do this. http://tinyurl.com/oawox |
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Valued Member
United States
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Tough call. My hunch is he's not doing anything to violate ebay policy. Just a matter if the consumer wants to spend that shipping cost or not. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4870 Posts |
Doing what this seller is doing, he is avoiding paying his ebay fees on the final auction end fee and shipping charges don't get any fees from them. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1703 Posts |
No fees on shipping, only on the sale. This is totally legal on ebay. Althought I have never listed this way,I don't blame others for doing it as ebay fees are getting pretty high. I see he does not take PayPal either, avoiding those fees also. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4870 Posts |
Maybe it's just me but I don't think its very ethical. I did once read somewhere in ebay's help pages about fee avoidance not being permitted. And quite honestly I think that S&H charge is excessive. It should be able to be shipped for around the $3.00 range in my opinion. I just move on to the next auction on the list if I don't like the charge. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4870 Posts |
Here are some quotes direct from ebay on this matter. "Unreasonable shipping or handling costs - The seller may add a reasonable shipping and handling fee to the final price of the item, but may not charge excessive shipping and handling fees, excessive required insurance fees, or excessive (or not applicable) taxes in an effort to make the item appear artificially inexpensive, to avoid ebay fees, or for any other purposes. A shipping and handling fee may cover the seller's reasonable costs for mailing, packaging, and handling the item. Shipping and handling fees may not be listed as a percentage of the final sale price. Please see the complete Excessive Shipping and Handling policy for more details." |
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Forum Dad
 United States
24170 Posts |
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This is totally legal on ebay.
Nope. Dead against the rules. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1703 Posts |
Sorry, My bad. For it being illegal, you sure see a lot of it.
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05/08/2006 5:59 pm
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Forum Mom
United States
5877 Posts |
Unfortunately, although it is not allowed, auctions such as this one don't have a shipping amount high enough for ebay to do anything about it. I have found that the shipping needs to be around $20 or more for ebay to take a second look for a single coin, so I don't see any way that they'll be willing to do anything about shipping a DVD for $7.99. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
853 Posts |
I really do not care about the sell price of an item or the cost of shipping. At the end of the day it all boils down to the final price inc shipping I am prepared to pay for an item. There is nothing unethical about bending the rules. If you want to talk about unethical you should look at how ebay breaks local laws and gets away with it by their system of off shore companies. For example Aussie law does not allow anyone to tell any vendor the price they can charge for things like shipping, handling and additional fees. Ebays fee circumvention policy actually breach Aussie law here by telling vendors what they can and can not charge. I do not agree with what this guy is doing but not agreeing does not make what he is doing unethical. He is up front with what he is doing and if that is the way he conducts business who am I to tell him what to do. Edited by Bigfella
05/08/2006 11:16 pm
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Forum Dad
United States
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I do not agree with what this guy is doing but not agreeing does not make what he is doing unethical.
What he is doing is absolutely unethical and against the rules. There are other sellers out there that follow the rules. This guy gets an unfair advantage (virtually no fees) over the one's that do things within the rules. I don't see how you can say a very deliberate system to break the rules and gain an unfair advantage over straight up sellers is not unethical. Fees his way: .20 Listing fee .00 Final fee --------------- .20 Total Selling it within the rules starting at 4.99 for 6.00 and 2.00 shipping: .35 Listing Fee .32 Final Fee -------------- .67 Total That a 70% advantage over legitimate sellers. Now he's a silver power seller like us. Our ebay fees are about $600 a month. $600 x 70% = $420 he's saving over his competitors that do things within the rules. Ethical? Not even close. If I saw a competitor of mine doing it, I'd report every single listing.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by TheForce
05/09/2006 6:39 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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99 Cents for Rap music is still to much.  |
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Forum Dad
United States
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99 Cents for Rap music is still to much.
Yup. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
853 Posts |
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Originally posted by bobby131313
What he is doing is absolutely unethical and against the rules. There are other sellers out there that follow the rules. This guy gets an unfair advantage (virtually no fees) over the one's that do things within the rules.
I don't see how you can say a very deliberate system to break the rules and gain an unfair advantage over straight up sellers is not unethical.
I suppose this question depends on what side of the fence you are on. If you are on ebays side of the fence it may be considered as unethical as ebay are potentially loosing out. ebay obvoiusly consider this practice ok as they have not stopped the auction. So to ebay this guy is still playing within the rules. Anyway who cares if ebay miss out on a fee!!! If you are a buyer it could be considered unethical but I think not as the guy is up front with everything he is doing. He is not hiding anything. It is therefore up to the buyer what they are prepared to pay for the item taking into account postage. As far as being another seller, the view should be "who cares". A seller has no business telling another seller what to do. If the judge and jury ( ebay) think it is ok (they obviously think it is in the rules otherwise they would have NARUed him) then what is this seller doing wrong? Every other seller has the option to do what this guy is doing if they wish as ebay see nothing wrong with the practice. I will pose this question then. If I order a 1964 penny worth AU$0.10 direct from Downies and they charge me AU$8.00 registered post (which they would do), is Downies being unethical? My view is no. They are completely up front with what they charge. If you do not like what they charge you go somewhere else where postage is cheaper (Newcastle Coins would ring a bell here!!!!). Just because the guy is selling on ebay does not change the fact that he is doing exactly what Downies do off ebay. Downies are not viewed as unethical by most collectors which is reflected in the fact Downies is a thriving business. Again I will stress I do not agree with what this guy is doing but not agreeing does not make it unethical. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just because the seller is up front about it all doesn't make what he is doing right. Why should he avoid fees when us honest sellers play by the rules and pay the fees? I don't buy from anyone who does this as I am not going to support their business.
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