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I think I'm missing something. Isn't it fine as long as it is advertised as such? I mean, if the seller tried to pass it off as real, I would be annoyed...
Wait a minute, is this because there's no "COPY" stamped on it?
Edited by Ferret552
11/02/2009 04:04 am
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No - that's a US law, not Canada. Canada fought to get all counterfeits pulled from ebay whether declared as such or not, because they are all illegal there. Search on the site here for other threads on this.. also here is a news story on it: http://bc.rcmp.ca/ViewPage.action?s...tentId=10458 |
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The coin advertised is a "contemporary conterfeit", meaning it was made at the same type as the coin being copied, though maybe a little later. They are usually off-metal strikes and were made to imitate the value of the coin being copied (in this case 50 cents), although some were not well made. Many of these are collectible in their own right, especially tokens. This is very unlike the Chinese fakes now infused into our hobby, where the fakes are meant to deceive from a collector's standpoint. They (the current ones) aren't meant to imitate 50 cent pices (in the same type scenario), but rather rare dtaes/varieties worth thousands. The vendor of the ebay coin has a solid background, feedback and reputation .. he's not out to scam anyone. |
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In my above post, it should read that contemporary conuterfeits were made at the same TIME as the originals, not "type". Again, the ebay coin is a far cry to from current Chinese tidal wave .. many of these (like the ebay coin) are worth far more than an original, especially some early tokens. |
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I would recommend clicking on the "Report" link in the same listing and tell ebay that an illegal item was listed. |
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My question would be "Where Is ebay"  Here's is part of the news comment of July 15, 2009 on this about Ebays reaction and intentions. Upon receipt of the RCNA complaint, the RCMP immediately notified ebay representatives, at their Headquarters in San Jose, California, and informed them of the situation. Upon consultation with the RCMP, ebay cooperated fully with the RCMP's request to remove all current listings from the Canada and USA sites. They have agreed to amend their Currency Policy, banning the sale of any replica versions of all Canadian and Newfoundland coins dating from 1858 onward on its ebay.com and ebay.com websites. Ms. Andrea Stairs, Head of Marketplace Development for ebay Canada, further added that; "This move will help prevent replica coins from entering the market and potentially being re-sold as originals. E-Bay will continue to collaborate with the RCMP to maintain a marketplace that is safe for both buyers and sellers of numismatic material". |
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 the seller here is a solid up front person with a good reputation and a honest mistake has been made which is now corrected as the item description has been changed. There was no intention to fault the seller ( I have made many honest mistakes myself ) BUT THE Point was How good is ebay at folowing their own rules... |
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The item has been removed as of this post.
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No question, the seller has a stellar reputation and meant NO harm to anyone!! he simply did not know. he did NOT hide anything and had NO intention to take advantage of anyone. just to get this straight.... IT is the greedy claws of ebay that willingly listed it. they only say things... BUT normally do NOT mean it.... just make one small listing mistake, like list on ebay .com and list a canadian coin as ICCS graded...wow, a crime has been committed!!.....and BANG !! the big feehammer comes down in judgment!! |
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Quote:IT is the greedy claws of ebay that willingly listed it. they only say things... BUT normally do NOT mean it.... just make one small listing mistake, like list on ebay .com and list a canadian coin as ICCS graded...wow, a crime has been committed!.....and BANG ! the big feehammer comes down in judgment! Wow, what in the World are you talking about? He listed a counterfeit coin and ebay removed it because it's not allowed. What's the problem? You scream if they let them run, now you scream when they remove them. Pick a side for cryin' out loud. Counterfeit is counterfeit, intentions are irrelevant. |
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Boy, you guys are both tough and a little paranoid. If you (and ebay) took the literal translation of counterfeit the way that you all are interpreting it, then ebay would never be able to sell any Blacksmith tokens, about half the Tiffin Tokens, way over half of all the Bust and Harp Tokens, and a good number of Geo III and early GEO IV ones. There is a huge difference between modern Chinese fakes and old contemporary "counterfeit" coins.... it's ridiculas to apply modern counterfeiting law to items that were made over 100 or 150 years ago and wouldn't fool anyone as to its origin. |
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it's ridiculas to apply modern counterfeiting law to items that were made over 100 or 150 years ago and wouldn't fool anyone as to its origin. No, what's ridiculous is insinuating rules should be applied differently to different people. The law is the law, rules are rules, illegal is illegal, counterfeit is counterfeit. Period, period, period, period. I guess ebay should hire an entire team now to decide what's modern and what's contemporary? Or should they just take the word of the first email from some knucklehead know it all that complains (which could be a competitor)? Or should they just remove ALL counterfeits as they find them? I vote for the last one, any day of the week. The longer you keep them off the market, the better off the entire hobby is. That's a no brainer if you ask me. Oh and by the way, if you've ever listed a coin on ebay, you'd know that there's a huge red warning right above the final submit button very clearly explaining that your not allowed to list counterfeits. So ignorance is a completely lame excuse. You'd have to be extremely lazy or blind, or just flat out think your above the law to blatantly list it like that. I vote for the latter. |
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SCUBU, perhaps a little thought would be in order. THE whole issue was NOT mainly about counterfeits... I am totally against counterfeit listings. Period. Thew whole issue D23 brought up is that ebay does NOT live up to their own, and publically agreed to, rules.!!! I had a canadian coin listed on ebay.com. I had the ICCS grade in the title. the came down hard and threatened me that they do not allow having Canadian graders/ grades in the title on ebay.com as a fact, they instantly removed the listing. the HAMMER. Period. They also had a threatening note with it saying that I could be suspended me or have certain privileges removed etc... I did NOTHING wrong, perfectly fine listing, NO counterfit coin!! Their wording suggested in a way that only coins certified by certain TPGS and approved by the mighty ebay, can have their grade and the TPG listed in the title. man, so you tell me if they are playing fair or not...... naturally, they kept the listing fee and would NOT even reply to my complaint.. perhaps the power went out just then in Sumatra |
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Tell me what this means in your previous post please.... Quote:IT is the greedy claws of ebay that willingly listed it. Listed what? I have always had a real hard time understanding you. You post jumbled up and in half sentences with thoughts all mixed up. Then throw in irrelevant things to make it more confusing. You started talking about grading companies and I guess something that happened to you, which has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. Quote:
I did NOTHING wrong, perfectly fine listing, NO counterfit coin! The rule you broke had nothing to do with counterfeit coins whatsoever. It had to do with recognized grading companies. Completely different and I understand you don't agree but you broke the rules. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have the right to break them. |
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Quote:Their wording suggested in a way that only coins certified by certain TPGS and approved by the mighty ebay, can have their grade and the TPG listed in the title. Um, yes. That's exactly what ebay's rules are. Read it here (click on "some examples"). ICCS isn't an approved company, so you can't use their grades in the listing title when you post it on US ebay. The Canadians and American sellers of Canadian coins have complained; ebay doesn't care. If you want to sell ICCS graded coins, put them on ebay Canada. There's no slabbing company discrimination there. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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