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Could Someone Help With 1886 GB Penny & 1895 3 Pence

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 Posted 11/19/2009  9:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My Krause book only goes back to 1900, and I'm soon to correct this, but I need some information on 2 coins before tomorrow morning. I am hoping someone might not mind looking up something for me.
Coins in question :
a) 1886, 1 Penny, Great Britain, Grade EF
b) 1895, 3 Pence, Great Britain, Grade F

Info requesting :
1)Composition
2)Mintage
3)Weight
4)Diameter
5)ASW (99.9% certain ASW=0 but you never know)
6)Value

If you have any or all of this information, I would greatly appreciate it. (Pictures available if requested)




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 Posted 11/19/2009  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it helps, I believe the designations for these coins are KM#749.2 and KM#778.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a) KM #755 (749.2 minted till 1874)
bronze (copper 95%, tin 4%, zinc 1%), 6087759, 9.4 grams, 31 mm, (E)XF $20;
b) KM #777 (778 is a maundy 4d)
.925 silver (.0420 oz. ASW), 4788609, 1.4 gram, 16 mm, F $0.85
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 Posted 11/20/2009  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you ever so much. Doing a report of sort for an associate on his collection and these last two were a hold out. Breakfast with him in 8 hours and now I can finish it. Greatly appreciate the help.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do I ever feel stupid. All that effort and I was foiled by a typo. It is actually an 1866 penny, not an 1886. I'll include the pictures just so that you know I have it right this time. So sorry for the nuisance.

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Not sure why scan look so grainy, I've not changed anything. Oh well, that'll be my next issue.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Krause lists the 1866 penny as $90 in XF. KM 749.2.

Probably should get values from the Spinks book, though - their values are a lot more accurate. If nobody pipes up here in a bit, I'll go get my book and list the values from there for ya.
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Sorry, the rest of the info: Mintage 9,999,000, Bronze, weight is 9g and diameter is 30.7 mm.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much. You people on this site are awesome.
About the other book, not necessary, or I'll have to give you a list of the other coins in the collection to maintain consistency.
I will look for the book for my own reference however.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rikcando.. consistency is good but I am going to bed very soon.. it's been a very long 2 days for me! So if someone else does not have this same book, this could just be for your info. I bet someone else has it, though, and can chime in if you need any other coins priced from it.

In the Spinks book... the 1866 penny is 75 pounds in XF.
1895 3 pence in F is 1 pound. VF:3 XF:10
Remember to do the UK pounds to US dollars conversion if needed for your use.

The book I'm looking in is Coins of England & the United Kingdom, 44th Edition, Standard Catalogue of British Coins... Spink 2009

It's a great book.. definitely worth the purchase price if you look at a lot of British coins


Edited for horrendous spelling.. wow! lol!
Edited by xshift
11/20/2009 8:50 pm
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 Posted 11/20/2009  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have similar figures in Coincraft Catalogue. Just a couple of £ less for the penny, and a couple more £ for the 3d.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really appreciate the info. I am just getting into coins foreign to Canada (where I am) and I am looking at quite a learning curve. I thought the Krause book was 'standard' (for lack of a better term). I'd not heard of Spink's until your reply. So maybe I should be learning more about the tools of the trade before looking at the merchandise.
I just picked up a bag of 50 British coins for my own collection as a starting base. I was starting my spreadsheet this week end using my Krause. It will do for now, and the technical data should be the same, but I'll look for a copy of the Spink catalog when it comes to valuation. Thanks for the tip.

I also have coins from several other counties. Would Spink be the better route to take for other countries as well?

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 Posted 11/20/2009  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the value of a coin largely depends on the market. I do have a British catalog (Coincraft, not Spink) because of my collection, but when someone from (North) America has a question about value of a British coin I usually quote Krause. Just as an average UK collector wouldn't pay a crazy price for a Lincoln Penny that you can see here.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I only look at the value for an rough idea of what I should pay for a coin. How badly I need it has a bit to do with it as well. For now I'm just starting so I'll be picking up all the more common, cheaper coins first. It will be a while before I need to do any real value hunting, so I'll do a bit more research on the books and buy next years edition. Here's what I've gathered so far, for about $20 Cdn. It will probably take a while to finish grading them.

Year Amount Denom.
1910 1 Farthing
1917 1 Farthing
1917 1 Farthing
1929 1 Farthing
1937 1 Farthing
1944 1 Farthing
1971 2 Pence
1971 2 Pence
1994 2 Pence
1941 3 Pence
1941 3 Pence
1942 3 Pence
1943 3 Pence
1954 3 Pence
1967 3 Pence
1990 5 Pence
1990 5 Pence
1990 5 Pence
1991 5 Pence
1991 5 Pence
1951 6 Pence
1955 6 Pence
1956 6 Pence
1957 6 Pence
1959 6 Pence
1975 10 Pence
1992 10 Pence
2003 10 Pence
1916 1/2 Penny
1923 1/2 Penny
1938 1/2 Penny
1944 1/2 Penny
1944 1/2 Penny
1948 1/2 Penny
1971 1/2 Penny
1971 1/2 Penny
1971 1/2 Penny
1971 1/2 Penny
1974 1/2 Penny
1866 1 Penny
1906 1 Penny
1911 1 Penny
1913 1 Penny
1915 1 Penny
1915 1 Penny
1915 1 Penny
1916 1 Penny
1918 1 Penny
1939 1 Penny
1939 1 Penny
1947 1 Penny
1964 1 Penny
1971 1 Penny
1971 1 Penny
1971 1 Penny
1974 1 Penny
1976 1 Penny
1993 1 Penny
2004 1 Penny
1947 1 Shilling
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 Posted 11/20/2009  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a nice lot for the money.
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 Posted 11/20/2009  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks.
Some of them are rather beaten up and would have a hard time passing as fine, but I've always been more interested in collecting one of each rather than 'best of' collecting. I upgrade as I come across them at good prices, but for the next while I will be filling in some pretty big holes in the collection.
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 Posted 11/21/2009  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Looks like a nice lot for the money.


I really like British coins, and pick them up in lots whenever I can. I ran out of 2x2 pages yesterday trying to put them all away!

Spinks is good for Great Britain - I forget how far back it goes (I put it away again) but at least back to Medieval coins. Tons further back than Krause, anyway. For something like Canadian coins, you would want to pick up a Charlton (comes out every year) and/or a Charest (up to his 7th edition - which just came out!). They have more detailed information and show varieties, as well. Each tells how to grade their particular country's coins.

So.. for generalized information, Krause would be good, but for specialized or detailed info, get a specialized book. A *lot* of values in Krause are way off and are inflated even for US coins. There are a lot of specialists here on the forum, so if you only have a few of a certain country you could always ask here.. otherwise they could point you to the book(s) to look for.
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