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I was wondering what people think about using the new mint sets that come with the satin finish for breaking open and using them to fill holes in albums? Are these technically considered business strikes or proof strikes or somewhere in between, I'm confused on this matter. Does anyone have a pic they could post of a regular coin next to a satin finish one. Please let me know what your thoughts are on this, so that when I return from Iraq after the New Years I know if I should use the new mint set to fill my 2009 holes in my albums. Thanks for the help.
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The satin finish coins are relatively new, having been introduced in the 2005 Mint Sets and in use since then. Prior to that, the Mint Set coins were regular business strikes and were not treated much differently from circulating coinage. The satin finish coins are struck with specially prepared dies on lower speed, higher pressure presses. Because of that extra care, the satin finish coins tend to have a sharper strike and tend to be 2-3 grade points higher on average than business strikes. The finish should be considered a third type of striking in addition to business strikes and proofs.

As for using the Mint Sets to fill date albums, I say go for it. I may be a bit biased though because I am currently doing exactly that I just find it to be easier to break open a Mint Set than to track down all of the individual business strikes for a given year. Many other people do that as well but there are also others that would never break open a Mint Set or the must absolutely have the business strikes in their album since it is a distinctly different strike.

The main difference in appearance would be luster, business strikes have cartwheel luster while the luster on a satin finish is softer and more diffuse. The satins also tend to have much smaller scuffs and bagmarks tend to be small as well compared to business strikes.

BTW, thank you for your service and here's wishing you a safe return from Iraq
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Thank you for providing some insight on this issue, I am leaning towards using the mint sets to fill albums. I will see if anyone else will chime in and go from there. That is pretty crazy that there are three distinct finishes now, what will the mint think of next.
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It is most definitely a third type of strike, being neither business strike or proof.

In reality they should have their own hole, but ultimately it depends on the collector.

If your albums have been built from mint and proof sets (that is, no circulated or potentially circulated coins have been used to fill any holes), then I see no problem at all with continuing to break up sets to fill the holes.
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In my State Quarter set most of mine from 2005 up are satin finish, I even pulled nice business strikes out and replaced with satin finished ones. I wanted the set to have the nicest coins I could put in.
.. I don't break open that many proof sets .. only because .. for me the mint sealed proof plastic keeps the coins better than the dansco books.
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Thanks for the the opinions, and I guess like I have read so many times before "to each is own" as far as how and what people collect. Now I only hope that I will get a nice mint set after reading about the poor quality of these sets. Thanks again.
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Welcome almost home! You just about finished with RIP/TOA? I just got back myself.

I've also learned something this thread, and perhaps others can clarify. Biokemist, are you saying since 2005 *all* Mint Sets are no longer just freshly bagged business strikes? If this is the case I don't like that at all. I'm of the mind that if you want something specially made, buy a proof. But there are people like me who prefer regular (for circulation) coins - who might just want something fresh off the press. To me there's a cool factor to having business strike coins packaged as a set from the mint.

Am I alone with this?
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Yep, all of the Mint Sets since 2005 have this new type of strike with the satin finish. The coins receive much greater care and they are struck on low speed high pressure presses, this extra treatment results in coins on average 3-4 grade points higher than business strikes. I am not sure why it was changed though but it has created a new market for high grade business strikes since better examples were formerly cherrypicked from Mint Sets.
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Now I know. I'm amazed how much I still haven't learned.

As I said I really don't like it. To me all they did was take away mint sets. I'm not sure about technical terminalogy, but for all purposes I consider those just another type of proof.
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For the most part, I have to agree. In essence, we now have two proof sets from the mint: Frosted Cameo and Satin Finish.

From the glossary (emphasis mine):

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Proof
A coin usually struck from a specially prepared coin die on a specially prepared planchet. Proofs are usually given more than one blow from the dies and are usually struck with presses operating at slower speeds and higher striking pressure. Because of this extra care, Proofs usually exhibit much sharper detail than regular, or business, strikes.
At minimum, the new Mint Sets are "Lite Proof" sets.
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Yes by the above definition I would definitely consider these Satin Finish coins closer to Proof coins then anything else. I don't like this at all, I was a big fan of the original mints sets.
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I am sure most also know, that PCGS is placing these Satin finish coins in a different category.
Now you can have coins graded PF for proof, MS for mint state coins and SP for satin finished coins.

I think, only my opinion, that this is the mints response to all the complaints they received about the poor condition of coins that were in the mints set. I am sure they were getting a lot of them returned.
Not only from black/water spots on the cents, the State Quarters were very bad. I opened up a mint set last week where the Maryland quarter was the worst condition I have seen for what should be a mint quality coin.
If I only have the choice of good/better quality coins in satin finish or bad quality coins in business strikes then I will take the satin. I am sure my future State Parks Dansco will have all satin finished coins, unless they make more changes. In my experience when enough people complain to the mint, they will make changes that most don't like, for instance if you were in the hobby in 82-83 when they did not make mint sets, from what I remember, because of complaints about quality. Our government at work ....
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