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What-Would-Cause-This?

It's a 1954 S

I'm sure it's post mint damage...but still. What would/could cause this type of wear...and yet it doesn't seem to have damaged the rim?

The bottom half of the reverse puzzles me the most. The wear is really obvious on the top.


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 Posted 12/18/2009  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enaze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok I'm far from an expert but my opinion is that it was probably grease or something on the die when it was struck. I would get a second opinion though. there are many people on here that are far more knowledgeable than I.
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I will agree with enaze
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None of the above.

It's weakly struck, and the die could have been weakly hubbed as well.

Grease Filled Dies will affect the lowest recesses of the die first. Weak strike/hubbing will affect the fields first.
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In my opinion, it was Struck Through Grease. The boundary between the well-struck areas and unstruck areas is too abrupt for a low-pressure strike. The rest of the design and the design rim are too well-struck for this to be a low-pressure strike. In many cases, grease tends to flow toward the areas of lowest effective striking pressure, which in this case would be the area opposite Lincoln's head and his coat. That's roughly the pattern we see here. I'm not sure I've ever seen a "weakly hubbed" die. You wouldn't expect a weakly hubbed die to show absence of the design so far into the coin, since this is near the apex of the cone-shaped face of the unfinished working die, where effective hubbing pressure is quite high.
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 Posted 12/20/2009  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enaze to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have a few that are like this myself. are they worth anything?
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Maybe 50 cents.
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I can agree with the counter against a weakly hubbed die for this coin, but I don't see the mottling that is always present with grease. The coin appears incompletely struck to me.

I have seen 1972 cents with TRUST nearly completely missing. The letters are very thin and indistinct at certain angles. There's nothing 'filling' the die, the details were simply not there to begin with. I have seen other dies with letters missing parts of their serifs, yet the coin is completely struck...yet another case of an incompletely hubbed die. They do happen.
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Not all grease strikes show a texture. The coarseness of the gunk filling the die is quite variable. As for thinned peripheral lettering, I think a more prosaic explanation would be intentional die abrasion.
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